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    Quote Originally Posted by Jute View Post
    You think Eastern Europeans of 2008 have "more kids" than Western Europeans? I believe their rate are just as low as any western country.

    As far as I know Russia also recently has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world. Putinists are launching their East-Slavic-nationalist campaigns to produce as many more Russians as possible, and their birthrate is going up there.
    I meant that in the East it is not considered necessary to be a career woman and those who do have kids have more than one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jute View Post
    (Or else Europe would be overwhelmed by Slavs- a perennial fear).
    I think it should be clarified that the fear of East Slavs initially had virtually nothing to do with their racial condition (the dreaded 'East Baltid' element is found in a diluted state amongst Germanics) and everything to do with the fact they never did go through a period such as the Enlightenment. Slavophobia began as just another liberal snobbery. Then when race and Social Darwinism were all the rage in explaining the whole gamut of human history, this fact (that Russia did not really have an era comparable to the Western Enlightenment) was twisted into a 'race' theory, i.e., the East Slavs are unEnlightened barbarians because they are racially inferior.

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    I accept those who are of German blood, not Slavs who try to pass as German.

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    Citizenship should only be conferred via descent (jus sanguinis) and be limited to the offspring of citizens, as was the case in Germany until the reforms that came into effect in January 2000.

    Citizenship automatically given to those born on a nation's territory (jus soli), as is the case in the United States and France, is a joke. In today's mobile age, where one is born is irrelevant, and a poor indicator of one's enduring ties to a nation.

    I remember reading that both Chile and Argentina have in the past flown pregnant women to their bases in Antarctica, in order to strengthen their land claims on this continent, by producing 'native Antarctican' citizens. eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I accept those who are of German blood, not Slavs who try to pass as German.
    How about mixed ones?

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    I think the best way would be for the aussiedler to justify their germanic origin with at least one official certificate of their ancestors. (of course, not to far ancestors.) For example of this I have my great-grandfathers original "Abschied" when he quit the german army in 1867, after the battle at Königrätz, he was a soldier of the german army for 8years. I also have his birth certificate which states that he was born on german ground. I have more, but I think I could justify my origins officially partly with these.

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    I accept them as Germans as long as they are at least half German ethnically, and have some knowlege of our languge and culture. If they have some distinct culture and not just emulate the Bavarian stereotype, it's a plus.

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    I only accept those Aussiedler of at least ¾ German descend, with the rest of the ancestry being entirely European Europid and being able to pass as German, who make a strong effort to assimilate.

    That probably only includes those that came before about 1970, as the others from the east were and are almost invariably mixed, especially the Spätaussiedler from Russia and Kazakhstan.
    The forced dispersal and assimilation of the Russian Germans within the Soviet Union could actually be seen as a form of genocide, as it was at first a cultural and afterwards physical destruction through mixture.

    I knew an especially obnoxious “Spätaussiedler”, who always went on about how German he is and showed me pictures of his, indeed very German looking grandfather, who served in the SS.
    The problem was just, that the guy himself looked, at best, like a Greek(but actually even somewhat Armenoid) because one of his grandmothers was Pontic Greek and one grandfather a displaced Pole.
    He couldn’t even speak German properly after living here for 20 years.
    Just to give everyone an impression of most of these people.

    Those from Poland coming after the 70s, on the other hand, were probably never German to begin with, as the proper ethnic Germans were deported to Germany after WW2 up to the 70s.
    Almost without exception, only those of already mixed blood, dubious ethnicity or even full Slavs who had recently adopted German as a language, were allowed to stay, if they assimilated into Polish society.

    However, that’s, of course, just a generalisation and it has to be looked at on a case to case basis. I don’t want to exclude any proper ethnic German from our people.
    And the day they sold us out, Our hearts grew cold
    'Cause we were never asked, No brother, we were told!
    What do they know of Europe, Who only Europe know?



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