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Thread: Communism or Democracy, Which is Worse?

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    Communism or Democracy, Which is Worse?

    Oftentimes I wondered, which do you think is worse? Are countries who were under communist regime better off under today's democracy?

    Please motivate your answers.

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    Communism... in a democracy you have at least the chance to vote in people that want to alter the course your country is taking. No such thing in communism. But then again, economically speaking, I find capitalism just as revolting- why people always somehow intertwine democracy with capitalism mystifies me. In the last 50 years there has been enough evidence that the two are as ill-matching as communism and democracy.

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    Communism is worst, but Democracy isn't much better. Democracy, which means Liberal Democracy, is just a less extreme form of Marxism.

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    Historically Democracy is worse, since Communist states did not try to destroy their racial base, and the love for your nation was mostly part of the Communist doctrine.
    Communist states made the living worse, through their economic system, and maybe are responsible for a increase in slave natures, but it still kept it easier reversible, our current democracy more or less sends us down a path of no return.

    Additional Communism had a better chance of successful leadership than Democracy had, the problem in Communism mostly being the Russians.

    If I would have to compare Cuba with Berlin-Kreuzberg I doubt there is much difference
    So I tend to say Democracy, but as Aemeric said, they are close together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Historically Democracy is worse, since Communist states did not try to destroy their racial base, and the love for your nation was mostly part of the Communist doctrine.
    Eh? Communists have probably done more ethnic cleansing than anyone else in history, be it of Slavs, Germans, Turks, Manchus, or anyone really. Democracy is better initially, but unlike communism is not as blatantly horrible and thus harder to get rid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    Eh? Communists have probably done more ethnic cleansing than anyone else in history, be it of Slavs, Germans, Turks, Manchus, or anyone really.
    Well, nationalism was part of the GDR doctrine, and there were only few foreigners.
    That German minorities had to suffer under communist rule in non-German countries, is something independent from Communism.

    Or what are you thinking about exactly?
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    Ethnic Germans suffered under Communism in Romania but not as bad as in other Countries. There were Periods when some of their Rights were returned.

    Of all atrocities, the Transylvanian Saxons were only spared the acts of banishment and revenge which occurred in other east European countries at the hands of the people of the country where they had peacefully coexisted with other groups for centuries.

    The Lutheran church was allowed to persevere. Under communist dictatorship, during the years of hardship, it remained the sole, and just barely, intact institution of the Transylvanian Saxons, their last refuge. After 1949 the measures aimed against the Germans were slowly softened. Government schools with German curriculum, a German newspaper and a theater were permitted. The status of minorities was granted in 1956. Farmhouses and the original living quarters were returned to them.

    Disowning and industrialization have undermined the ties to the native soil and fundamentally upset the relationship with the Romanian state, not, however, with the Romanian people who mostly remained tolerant and compassionate throughout the years. Attempts by the communist state to reestablish confidence proved fruitless. Nicolae Ceausescu admitted openly errors of the past during his "reform phase" in the sixties and had a Council of Workers of German Nationality established, who were to represent the minority.

    http://www.sibiweb.de/geschi/7b-history.htm

    But now we have more Rights because we have a Political Party representing us and a German Mayor of our City. I hate americanisation of our Cultures though. I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Well, nationalism was part of the GDR doctrine, and there were only few foreigners.
    That was only due to convenience. Nationalism is a popular movement and thus would be useful to a governmental system based on popular sovereignty. They had no minorities because there was no need for them, they are only useful for unskilled work, which is what the German populace was reduced to doing during that time period anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    That German minorities had to suffer under communist rule in non-German countries, is something independent from Communism.
    I don't think so. The first and foremost communist government in Europe strongly persecuted Germans and non-Russian Slavs. It may be independent from the idea of communism, but its also independent from the idea of Democracy. The fact that democracy is more multicult than communism is merely circumstantial and I doubt Stalin would have had any qualms about importing foreigners into Germany or anywhere else (he did move around many races by force, actually).

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    The German Minorities had to suffer because of the War. They were seen as Hitlerists.

    All citizens of Germanic descent were apprehended as a group, although they could hardly be made responsible for the events of the war. In January of 1945, the first deportation of men and women to rebuild the Soviet Union took place. Among them were approximately 30,000 Transylvanian Saxons. Hunger, cold and diseases decimated their numbers. Approximately one third perished dreadfully. Many of the survivors slaved until 1952 in the coal mines of Russia. A good number were not returned to their home land but to the Soviet occupied Germany and were separated from their families for years and decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    That was only due to convenience.
    It was Communist doctrine, of course it was Communist doctrine because it was useful to Communist goals, but it was their doctrine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The first and foremost communist government in Europe strongly persecuted Germans and non-Russian Slavs.
    They did not, it wasn't until the war, before they started doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The fact that democracy is more multicult than communism is merely circumstantial and I doubt Stalin would have had any qualms about importing foreigners into Germany or anywhere else (he did move around many races by force, actually).
    He moved those races to places where they were on their own though. It was a Communist goal to have those populations divided, that A cossack wouldn't join forces with an Ukrainian etc.
    Surely they didn't do so because of racial reasons, but at least they did do it.

    As I said I evaluated historically, and historically Communist countries haven't suffered from such foreign influence as Democracies have, that is even a fact, no need to debate.
    So maybe it isn't even important whether it was part of their doctrines, it's just how it is, and Democracy has had a more dangerous outcome.
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