View Poll Results: Who/what are you loyal to?

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  • My people

    67 74.44%
  • My government

    4 4.44%
  • My family

    61 67.78%
  • My friends

    51 56.67%
  • My partner/spouse

    48 53.33%
  • My religion

    28 31.11%
  • My ideology

    52 57.78%
  • My principles

    60 66.67%
  • Other

    10 11.11%
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    Post Re: Towards a Psychology of Betrayal

    Quote Originally Posted by bocian
    If I did not intend to betray, but someone felt betrayed, then it is betrayal but only felt by the victim, not the supposed perpetrator.

    Sometimes people even feel betrayed by animals, surely the animals did not intend to betray.
    Betrayal can only be felt or intended where there is an understood criterion of loyalty.
    If that criterion of loyalty is understood, then any act of betrayal is culpable, whether intentional or not.

    Where do our loyalties lie?
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    Loyalty

    One of the sayings the National Socialists did get right was "My honor is my loyalty". Do you believe this? I believe loyalty to Germanic kin and Germanic family is one of the most important things. Who/what are you loyal to?


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    Great question posed here Dagna.

    Primarily my loyalty lies towards my ideology and principles. Principles in my opinion are beyond mere physical nature and carry with them a spirit that is indomitable in one way or another, an unconquerable solar attitude.

    Because my ideology centres on the spiritual and physical nature of folk, culture, race, empire etc. I believe my loyalty lies with “my people” in an almost subliminal and indirect manner so my initial loyalty is towards that which I have indoctrinated myself with.
    "For the authentic revolutionary conservative, what really counts is to be faithful not to past forms and institutions, but rather to principles of which such forms and institutions have been particular expressions, adequate for a specific period of time and in a specific geographical area." Julius Evola - Men Among the Ruins

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    I didn't realize this was multiple choice until after I voted. I would have voted for my people as well as family, but people are extended family anyway.

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    It's a series of concentric circles for me

    1st circle: immediate family. When I get married and have children, they go here

    2nd circle: close family: Parents&siblings

    3rd circle: extended family: aunts/uncles, grandparents etc

    4th circle: ethnicity: German (primary), Anglo-Saxon&Irish(secondary). Preference given to those of closer region, culture, origin, ideology, nation etc.

    5th circle: closely related ethnicities (other Germanics&Celts)

    6th circle: other related ethnicities (the other European ones)

    7th circle: other K-selective ethnicities (mainly northeast Asians)

    Basically, the more people are like me, the more loyal I am to them
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    My ideology first and foremost. My people to a lesser degree as well, but I don't feel much allegiance to most of them as they have proven themselves incapable of making their own decisions.

    And I really don't consider myself particularly indebted to loyalty to my family or friends. 'Detached' is an appropriate word.

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    In order of importance I think my loyalty runs like this:
    Principle dominates everything; my Weltanschauung is the faith of honour.
    Spouse, my present fianceé, future wife and mother of my sons is the most important person in my life until I have children.
    Family, my blood relatives, and those who gave me life and shaped me.
    Friends will always find me; I offer myself to my comrades as their closest and most loyal ally.
    Folk is extremely important to me because it represents the primal source of everything I believe; besides Principle it is the driving force of my religion.
    Faith flows from my loyalty to Principal, Family, and Folk, which is the only reason it is this low on the list. It's hard to order these because I believe very strongly that there must be a unity to a man's worldview, and so each and every one of these is tied inherently to each and every other one, and therefore my loyalty falls only to one thing and one thing, one Principle alone: Honour.
    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί.
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    Let's see...
    My people - Yes, I feel a natural loyalty towards the Danes.
    My government - No, I think my government betrayed the principles our ancestors stood for. I think my government cares more about itself and about foreigners than about its own people.
    My family - Yes. My family is part of my people, and is very important to me.
    My friends - Yes and no. Friends come and go.
    My partner/spouse - I have none at the moment.
    My religion - Yes, absolutely. My religion is part of my identity. I would never shed it for anything in the world.
    My ideology - Yes, just like above.
    My principles - The same as above again.

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    My People: Doesn't need much explanation.
    My Family: Doesn't need any explanation either.
    My Friends: It depends on the relationship. I hate big groups of friends, and prefer smaller groups to be in. Typically groups of three to four to five or six or sometimes seven people -- give or take. Since about all my friends are of European, blondish types, this ties into being loyal to my people too.
    My Partner: I don't have a partner ATM, but I'm a very devout person when it comes to relationships, so (and being that I would only have a partner of my kindred) this question also ties in with my people and community.
    My Ideologies/Principles: I wouldn't turn my back overnight on my beliefs now. I go by a code of chivalry, and again ties into my people, my family, my friends, and my partner.

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    LOL @ the original post, getting a little Sun Tzu about it, aren't we :-P (not that I have a problem with ancient warfare doctrines)

    Anyway, onto the meat of the question... my loyalty pretty much radiates from my immediate family outward, so the highest loyalty is on the closest relations but there is a general sense of trust and camaraderie with those of similar ancestry that I think we've all experienced.

    As far as friends go, it really depends - I have a large number of friends and the level of loyalty to each is very different and circumstantial. "Friends" is really such a broad category that it's hard to even say anything about it. I have some friends who I would make great sacrifices for, and others who I would let go pretty easily.

    Hilarious that government has ZERO percent votes... I don't think anything really needs to be said about that...

    As far as religion goes, I could only conceive of being loyal to my "Religion" were I a Catholic, as they are the only ones with a really clear unambiguous governing body that is consistent and worth being loyal to. I am a wasp though, so, instead we get to deal with an ultra-liberal church that allows female pastors and preaches ambiguous relativistic humanism more than it does religious doctrine.

    Finally with Ideology, naturally I have a strong basis for my ideals, so I wouldn't consider it to really be a matter of loyalty so much as that I just know that I am right.

    Principles are almost like ideals to the point where it's a really academic exercise to explore the separation, so I'm just going to throw them in the same bag.

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