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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    I guess that this would come under licences for children or a limit based on income level, however you should be able to support a family by doing other menial and unplesant jobs e.g binman, cleaner etc as these are essential to the running of society maybe they could even be rewarded by higher birth quotas. The ones you don't want are those that are lazy, and will bring up their children without a work ethic as they are no use to anybody.
    Well yeah. Binman/garbage collectors here make a fairly decent wage, as do most construction jobs. Resource extraction jobs such as coal miners, oil platform workers, fishermen, and lumberjacks make a high wage due to the danger involved (another positive characteristic)

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_m...collector_earn

    The real low paying jobs are mostly in retail, customer service, food service-easy jobs that require no skill.

    Removing any direct state support for children, including medical care and school lunch programs would take care of the problem of lazy/dumb people having lots of kids without any imposing state bureaucracy prying into people's private lives
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Media and entertainment are only a small portion of the upper/upper middle class, they are the most visible. Besides, millionaires are way beyond any incentive anyways. The idea is to get more high IQ/educated people in the middle/upper middle class to have kids, people making $60-200k/yr, engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants etc.
    Intelligence is not directly related to education, there's plenty of dumb people in university that manage to get high degrees. There's plenty of dumb doctors and accountants, and especially a lot of dumb lawyers.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    There's always going to be a certain number of people in between jobs, people just getting out of school and looking for work, etc-this is called the 'natural unemployment rate'. When I was in HS in the mid 90s the economists thought the 'natural unemployment rate' was 5.5-6%, but for most of the early part of the decade the unemployment rate was well below this, around 4% or so, so some economists are thinking the 'natural unemployment rate' is lower-more around 4%. Perhaps the development of the internet and temp agencies reduced the natural unemployment rate, but there's still going to be people in between jobs, it takes time to go through the job search and interview process and get started in a new job, and these people are going to be 'unemployed'
    The main cause of unemployment these days is due to the fact that jobs are being offshored in the name of profit.

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    It's ridiculous to say "someone should be able to support a family of 4 by being a McDonalds cook".
    Well a McDonalds cook surely works harder and many more hours than a government employee for example. So why not? But anyway in a sane society, anything remotely like McDonalds should not even exist in the first place. This kind of culture and health poisoning filth should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    If that's all the further they can advance in life, we don't need those people having kids.
    Maybe that McDonalds cook has something else to offer society that he does in his spare time like art for example, how would you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    We need to have the smarter/successful people having more kids, whereas in today's society it is the reverse.
    You're absolutely right it's the reverse. But in fact that depends entirely on what traits people have you equate with being smart and successful. I don't think that within a decent society rapacity should be considered as a sign of intelligence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weisthor View Post
    Intelligence is not directly related to education, there's plenty of dumb people in university that manage to get high degrees. There's plenty of dumb doctors and accountants, and especially a lot of dumb lawyers.
    Generally, income correlates with IQ, and a few other things like work ethic. Dumb doctors, accountants, and lawyers tend to lose their licenses or get fired. In the US anyways this happens, under a state-run health care system perhaps it is impossible to fire them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Weisthor View Post
    The main cause of unemployment these days is due to the fact that jobs are being offshored in the name of profit.
    That's only a tiny fraction of unemployment. Unemployment is still lower today than before the free trade agreements of the early 90s.




    Quote Originally Posted by Weisthor View Post
    Well a McDonalds cook surely works harder and many more hours than a government employee for example.
    Ok, everyone works harder than government employees. The point is that the more capable people will seek out employment in the jobs that pay more-a capable person will not be happy with a McDonalds job. If it was important to have the most competent members of society working in McDonalds jobs, they would be paid a lot more, however it is more important to have the most competent people working as surgeons, engineers, etc so those people get paid the most. Thus, a policy that encourages higher income people to have children would have a general effect of increasing the number of kids by intelligent, competent people, and not encouraging dumb/incompetent people to have more kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Weisthor View Post
    anything remotely like McDonalds should not even exist in the first place. This kind of culture and health poisoning filth should be banned.
    Fine, a cook at the Womyns' Organic Anarchist Collective then, same principle applies.



    Quote Originally Posted by Weisthor View Post
    Maybe that McDonalds cook has something else to offer society that he does in his spare time like art for example, how would you know?
    Well, if he painted art in his spare time that was pleasing to people, then he could sell his work and make money that way. If he just paints crap nobody likes to amuse himself, then there's no reason for society to support him in this endeavor
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    In my view the priority would be to have Europe become European again. After that yes in my view, some limits should be set. If the population density continues to grow, there will be bigger problems. It was better in the old ages where there were fewer peoples and more nature. I'm in agreement some peoples shouldn't be allowed to breed at all. The first regulation could be like a quality control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    1. Should the number of children per individual be limited?
    No, never, period.

    The thought makes me sick I have 4 kids, its no ones business to tell me how many is too many.

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    The 2nd Commandment says "be fruitful and multiply, populate the world with White people exclusively"
    The 12th commandment calls for the eugenic upgrade of the White Race to the Germanic level.
    Part of our religious programme involves the shrinking of the coloured races off the planet. Paying Africans and other 3rd worlders $10,000 for a vasectomy would be a first start.

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    I can imagine such an implementation. Seeing as Europeans are the ''majority'' (never mind the reversed triangle demographic...), we would be restricted to a single child ~ while Jews and Blacks can have as many as they want.



    The sad thing is that most Liberals will accept this law, citing that there are already too many ''people'' on the planet

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Tax deduction of say $25k/child. Thus, someone making $25k/year would derive no additional benefit beyond the 1st child, whereas a person making $100k/yr could avoid paying taxes entirely if they have 4 kids.
    Brilliant.

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    I'm late to this party, so I'm mostly just saying "what he said" behind SOTV. Take the government out of the "direct baby subsidies for poor/irresponsible people" business and put them in the "tax breaks for productive parents" business. Problem solved.

    I have twelve children. They are fed, sheltered, educated, and taught a work ethic--they will never (except for that temporary, "between jobs" thing, maybe) be on the dole. The eat right (at the Anarchist Collective, not McDonald's... ), sleep well, and exercise, so they're unlikely to be a drain on anyone's health care system (however that is configured). Why should anyone tell me I can't have more? (Not that I'm planning to; strictly rhetorical. Let's say, Why should I have been forced to stop at six, or three?)

    Just get the government OUT of it and leave each family to their own devices. After some denial and disbelief gets worked out of the system, the situation will take care of itself.

    Anyone seen Idiocracy?...

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