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    No Freedom of Speech Here----->

    Calif. community declares itself a cuss-free zone
    Teen behind drive in South Pasadena to elevate quality of discourse

    SOUTH PASADENA, Calif. - This tranquil community on the edge of Los Angeles has become a cursing-free zone.

    Under a City Council proclamation approved Wednesday, those who use profanity or make rude gestures could find themselves shamed into better behavior by the unsettling glances of South Pasedena residents who take their reputation for civility seriously.

    "That's one of the purposes of this," Mayor Michael Cacciotti said of his city's proclamation designating the first week of March as No Cussing Week. "It provides us a reminder to be more civil, to elevate the level of discourse."

    The proclamation will be in effect until Friday, and then the first week of every March hereafter.

    South Pasadena, a tranquil city of tree-shaded cottages at the base of a mountain range eight miles north of downtown Los Angeles, is not the first to try to rein in potty mouths. Earlier this year, the St. Louis suburb of St. Charles, Missouri, proposed banning swearing in bars. Last year, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons called for an industrywide ban on racially and sexually charged epithets.

    Proposed by teen
    But what is different about the latest push is that it was proposed by a 14-year-old boy.

    "My mom and dad always taught me good morals, good values, and not cussing was one of them," said McKay Hatch, the founder of South Pasadena High School's No Cussing Club, during a recent break between study hall and tennis practice.

    "I've cussed before, I'm not gonna lie to you," Hatch quickly added. "But I try not to cuss any more."

    He was in junior high school when he became fed up with all the blue language around him.

    He understood why his friends use foul language: "They just want to fit in like everybody else and they don't know how. They figure if they cuss maybe it's an easy way to do that."

    But it wasn't for him.

    "I finally told my friends, `I don't cuss.' And I said, `If you want to hang out with me, you don't cuss.'"

    No cussing club
    It took a couple of years, but enough friends finally came around that Hatch formed a 50-member club, handed out fliers and called the group's first meeting, held June 1.

    Nine months later, the No Cussing Club has a Web site, claims a membership of 10,000 and boasts chapters in several states and countries. Hatch considers his greatest achievement, though, to be getting his hometown of 25,000 to become a cuss-free zone.

    Cacciotti, the mayor, is not surprised that South Pasadena started the movement. He noted that the city broke off from its much bigger neighbor 120 years ago when residents unhappy with the saloon trade in downtown Pasadena voted 85-25 to go their own way.

    By midweek, however, it was unclear just how many people in South Pasadena knew about the no-cussing edict.

    A clerk behind the counter at Buster's Ice Cream & Coffee Shop just laughed and said, "That sounds pretty funny."

    David Salcedo, who manages High Life Burgers, a popular hangout near the high school, hadn't heard of it either.

    But, come to think of it, he said, the language among the after-school crowd has been pretty clean lately. The biggest problem these days, Salcedo said, is kids talking too loudly.

    "But they're good kids," he added. "They just eat their chili fries and go home."

    For his part, Hatch hopes his No Cussing Club will lead to cuss-free zones in other cities. He believes it could be a quality-of-life issue, and that there may be less violence if people behave better.

    "You have to start with the little things," he said.
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    I could never join the no cussing club I cuss all of the time no matter where I'm at. Fuck the world!

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    I think communities should be allowed to establish their rules. Those who do not like it should not be obligated to be part of the communities. Cussing is not allowed in my house. People who cuss all the time come across as uneducated and trashy. It's usually blacks who cuss a lot.

    But I think this should only apply to private communities. No one owns a city.

    P.S. I find it very immature that some members here use this thread as an excuse to cuss.

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    P.S. We don't take too kindly to people tryin' to infringe on our xxxxin' Constitutional rights. Swearing is abso-xxxxin'-lutely a right granted to us. So we take advantage of it.

    And don't say it's usually only blacks that curse a lot. It's usually pissed off people who curse a lot. ie. people who have their freedom of speech denied.

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    You can have your opinion but that doesn't excuse you to use this thread as a means to cuss. This is not a city, it is a privately owned community and foul language is against the rules.

    4. Vulgarity, bawdiness, drunkenness, lewdness, obscenity, profanity, curses, discourteous and ungentlemanly conduct towards female Members, disrespectful conduct towards elder Members, and other objectively unrefined conduct, even if only in retaliation, is not permitted.

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    Speech Nazi...

    ...this and the other posts you are complaining about were clearly meant only as jokes.

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    I didn't say they were meant seriously, I said I found them immature. (Name calling is also imamture). And I don't consider cusses to be speech any more than I consider painting a wall in feces to be art.

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    Well, I certainly think that's a beautiful picture you've painted. :p

    Curse words are most certainly speech. They may not stand up to your clearly refined sophistication, but they are a part of speech nonetheless.

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    My point is, there are certain limits. You don't go cussing at work, at a formal meeting, at school or in other public places. You also don't go cussing when you are a guest in someone's house whom is not your best friend. I don't think cussing should be banned overall in a city, but the other extreme shouldn't be fallen in. There is nothing wrong with civility.

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    The standard curse words are among the oldest in the English language with solid Germanic roots. I am suspicious of pressures to replace them with Latinate euphemisms.

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    Ridiculous if you ask me. If you've got enough time on your hands to enforce these sort of laws, there is either not much going on in your community (which I doubt), or the more likely scenario that consists of morons wasting more resources, time, and money on crap that ultimately doesn't matter.

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