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    Germany Shuns Iron Cross for New Bravery Medal

    New medal plan for German heroes

    The German president has backed a proposal to introduce a top bravery medal for German soldiers - but no return of the Iron Cross is planned.

    Horst Koehler said he would support a medal for "exceptional bravery" in the army, the Bundeswehr.

    The German armed forces sport an Iron Cross symbol on their hardware - but the medal itself has been shunned since World War II.

    The defence ministry said it had no plans to bring back the Iron Cross.

    It rejected a German conservative MP's call for the medal to be reintroduced.
    "We should reclaim the positive side of this symbol," argued Ernst-Reinhard Beck of the Christian Democrats (CDU), who heads Germany's association of army reservists.

    He said that from the Balkans to the Hindu Kush the Iron Cross had come to be identified as a "sign of help and solidarity", through German armed forces deployments in trouble spots.

    The Iron Cross was established originally as a Prussian military honour by King Frederick Wilhelm III in 1813.

    The medal was later awarded as a top honour to German servicemen during both world wars. But it was abandoned in 1945, because of its wartime associations.

    Defence Ministry spokesman Thomas Raabe, quoted by the AFP news agency, said "we are not thinking of bringing it back, though we do want to introduce a medal to honour soldiers who show courage".

    The new medal's design has not yet been decided, he added.

    The German military currently has four degrees of award for exceptional service

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7281434.stm

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    What an embarassing disgrace : What's gonna replace this replacement? A moon-star emblem or just forget the moon perhaps just a six pointed star.

    :o

    Nevermind just forget the honorable people who put their lives on the line and what the iron cross meant to them and their children.

    Oh well I have it tattood on my leg so large that when the world outlaws this symbol completely they will have to cut off my right leg!

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    I am ashamed of my countrymen who don't have the least incentive to retain any part of our history, least of all our military history.

    Every other country in the world honors their own war dead, and it is judged an honorable thing to do to remember those who died to make sure we are alive and well, here. The ideology under which these wars are fought become unimportant, it is one's countrymen who fought for their folk and their family and gave their live selflessly so that many other lives would be spared.

    Every other country also honors its war heroes in a wide variety of ways. It is one's countrymen who fought for their folk and their family so valiantly that their name was of wide renown, because that is how great their will, skill and honour is. Germany does that, but by a mere medal...hmph...

    Fact is that traditionally Germany is the country which had the most remarkably vast array of decorations for its soldiers, after all we have traditionally been very proud of our army and its glorious achievements. Since 1813, German warriors were awarded the Iron Cross as the most distinctive decoration that a warrior can achieve. Later, it was refined into adding exceptional honours onto that same Iron Cross to allow to give a distinction to those who even exceeded the best in their bravery.

    But no, no, no ... of course you cannot have an Iron Cross. It is like with taking pride in anything else that is German. You cannot praise German Engineering openly even though the rest of the world knows it. You cannot praise German art or music, even though the rest of the world knows it. And no, you cannot even honour your military history. And why? Because our politicians, and to some extent the general public, lose themselves in the self-guilt that a period of 6, maybe 12 years, which they find less glorious, is enough to be ashamed of our historical identity as a whole.

    Like we were the only folk who had what is now considered a less glorious era in their history...Alright, the Brits aren't much better off, but at least Rememberance Day is still celebrated in these lands... eyes:

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    New medal plan for German heroes

    The German president has backed a proposal to introduce a top bravery medal for German soldiers - but no return of the Iron Cross is planned.

    Horst Koehler said he would support a medal for "exceptional bravery" in the army, the Bundeswehr.

    The German armed forces sport an Iron Cross symbol on their hardware - but the medal itself has been shunned since World War II.

    The defence ministry said it had no plans to bring back the Iron Cross.

    It rejected a German conservative MP's call for the medal to be reintroduced.
    "We should reclaim the positive side of this symbol," argued Ernst-Reinhard Beck of the Christian Democrats (CDU), who heads Germany's association of army reservists.

    He said that from the Balkans to the Hindu Kush the Iron Cross had come to be identified as a "sign of help and solidarity", through German armed forces deployments in trouble spots.

    The Iron Cross was established originally as a Prussian military honour by King Frederick Wilhelm III in 1813.

    The medal was later awarded as a top honour to German servicemen during both world wars. But it was abandoned in 1945, because of its wartime associations.

    Defence Ministry spokesman Thomas Raabe, quoted by the AFP news agency, said "we are not thinking of bringing it back, though we do want to introduce a medal to honour soldiers who show courage".

    The new medal's design has not yet been decided, he added.

    The German military currently has four degrees of award for exceptional service

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7281434.stm
    Obviously none of the above will be getting the award.

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    That is, indeed a shame. That was an award of the highest honour, one that was earned with pride and love for their country and people.

    This is where political correctness has led us ...
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    A big shame they don't want to re-instate the Iron Cross to his rightfull honor.

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    I think that all European Armies should be unified though- but I cannot understand the refusal to reinstate the Iron Cross. I think that the decoration in itself has a long tradition and means a lot of different things to all those that have been involved in any way with Germany's Armies (for better or for worse). So it should be brought back

    I actually think that the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross should be serve as a template for a future European decoration. What do you think: A Iron Cross in (with oak leaves, diamonds and swords) shiny bronze, silver and gold and with a nice shining dark blue ribbon with twelve small golden stars for the EU. A "Distinguished Service Cross"



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    I propose a Golden Banana medal for the Zionist mercenary army of the Bunzelrepublik Doofland.
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    Does the fact that the Iron Cross currently serves as the logo of the Bundeswehr not make this entire charade contradictory on the most basic of levels? There is no justification for exluding a centuries-old symbol of German gallantry, especially when the Nazi connotations of the Cross itself pales in comparison to the Swastika or the Sig Runes. Like the Totenkopf, it is a defining element of German military symbolism, turned into a pariah as a result of false association solely with the Third Reich (the existence of which is massively pre-dated by the images in question). So long as the public remains willfully ignorant of the true meaning and significance of the Iron Cross, and the progressive, apologist, guilt-merchant politicians continue to operate on the mandate of such, every age-old symbol of German identity will continue to be stripped away and consigned to history for the sake of shame and retribution.

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    The problem is the politics and media, who continuously remind people that the iron cross is a "nazi " symbol and an object that Germans should be ashamed of. It is a travesty that Germany cannot honor their soldiers appropriately and instead are continuously reminded of what happened in the World Wars Era. Not every country is perfect. We don't continuously remind African countries of their involvement in genocides or North Korea of their concentration work camps.

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