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Thread: Germany: Central or Northern European?

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    Germany: Central or Northern European?

    Ok, I can't resist any longer, I gotta post this. Been arguing with some folks over Germany. Whatcha think, is it Central European or Northern European? Motivate your choice.

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    I think one of her assets is being first of all the heart of Europe - a Mittelmacht, a Central Power.
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    Culturally I would say Germany is northern European, also in terms of economic development and political stability.

    Central European perhaps in the international political sense, lying between western European countries (England, France, etc) and eastern European countries (Russia, Ukraine, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Culturally I would say Germany is northern European, also in terms of economic development and political stability.

    Central European perhaps in the international political sense, lying between western European countries (England, France, etc) and eastern European countries (Russia, Ukraine, etc).
    Please define "culturally Northern European".

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    Geopolitically Germany is forced to plot its foreign policy from the Central European perspective. But certainly ethnically, linguistically and culturally Germany is closer to more northerly states - Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc.
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    I'm torn really. We have more in common, in even the Southern parts, with Northern Europeans than other central Europeans (Czechs, Slovakians, etc.), but geographically we are more central than anything else. Culturally North, Politically/geographically Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurin View Post
    I think one of her assets is being first of all the heart of Europe - a Mittelmacht, a Central Power.
    I agree with Germany being the heart of Europe, and the centre of central Europe

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    The heart of Europe badly needs a few bypasses.
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    It would depend on the context and how one divides Europe. Various parts of the continent can be classified differently according to historical, cultural or geopolitical lines, normally corresponding to those parts that were inside or outside a particular political division or cultural phenomenon.

    In earlier eras, when Europe was dominated by the Roman Empire, everything not near the Mediterranean sea was termed Northern Europe, what included countries like Germany, the Low Countries, and Austria. During the Middle Ages, the term (Ultima) Thule was used to mean a semi-mythical place in the extreme northern reaches of the continent.

    Germany's people and culture have been in the past and still remain nowadays overwhelmingly Germanic, as are those of Scandinavia, Iceland or England, which are considered Northern European.

    Distribution of Germanic languages in Europe:



    If one uses Northern European as a synonym for Germanic, then Germany would obviously qualify. Late 19th to mid 20th century anthropologists and eugenicists included all of the Germanic countries and some peripheral areas such as northern France - which historically contained large numbers of people of Celtic and Germanic Frankish descent - in the concept of Northwestern Europe. The term Northwestern Europe was a shorthand term for the regions of Europe where the Nordic or Nordish race was concentrated, in contrast to the Mediterranean, Slavic, etc. people.

    In a European Union context, Germany, Austria, the Low Countries, Scandinavia, the UK, are often seen as belonging to a Northern group. In popular parlance and journalism, people sometimes refer to Northern and Southern Europe in the context of the Euro-crisis, with Germany being a part of the austere, hardworking, Protestant North (Protestant work ethic). Germany was in fact the birthplace of the Reformation and today North and Eastern Germany are largely Protestant (though the East has become rapidly secularized in the post-communist era). Most Northern European countries are Protestant majority countries.

    Germany is geographically/geopolitically Central European, it is the "heart of Europe". In fact, according to German measurements, the center of Europe is in Dresden, near the Frauenkirche. It is historically also part of Central Europe, having been part of the Holy Roman Empire.

    The extent of the Holy Roman Empire around 1630, superimposed over modern European state borders:



    Central Europe according to P. Jones (Leibniz Institute for Regional Geography). Many Central European countries and regions were part of the German and Austro-Hungarian empires and thus share common cultural and historical connections.



    The concept of Central Europe was already known at the beginning of the 19th century. It mixed politics, economy and science and was largely connected with the intensively growing German economy and its aspirations towards a part of European continent called Mitteleuropa. This term was so fashionable that other languages started referring to it when indicating territories from Rhine to Vistula, or even Dnieper, and from the Baltic Sea to the Balkans. The Prussian vision of Mitteleuropa was a pan-Germanist state-centric imperium, an idea that was later adopted in a modified form by National Socialist geopoliticians. In Austria, the Mitteleuropa concept evolved as an alternative to the German question, equivalent to an amalgamation of the states of the German Confederation and the multiethnic Austrian Empire under the firm leadership of the Habsburg dynasty. By 1914 and the Septemberprogramm, Mitteleuropa had become a part of Germany hegemonic policy. Mitteleuropa is also used in a cultural sense, to denote a fertile region whose thought has brought many fruits, artistic and cultural. It is also sometimes synonymous with the expression "Habsburg thought and culture." Culturally and ethnically, Germany is closest to other Central European and German-speaking countries like Austria and Switerland, and still has ties to ethnic German communities scattered in former regions of the Austrian empire.

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    Central European except the Northernmost parts like Schleswig-Holstein. There the race and culture resembles Scandinavia. Southern Germany is most certainly Central European. So is Austria. The Alps are Central European.

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