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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    Not to worry, as you have yourself said, in Sikandar Butshikan's time there remained only 11 families and they increased to some 300,000 now. We will come back.
    Indeed, the great Brahmin souls will return to earth in abundance one day!

    It is obvious to an intelligent, objective observer that compared to the Semitic religions; Aryan forms of Paganism are:

    1) Tens of thousands of years more ancient (and therefore more natural),

    2) Arose over a far larger geographical area (at least as far as India in the East and to the furthest reaches of Europe in the West),

    3) An accurate description of the Supreme Reality, with an incomparable depth of knowledge: our world-view is still in accord with modern science (and this trend is becoming increasingly obvious as scientific knowledge increases),

    4) Internally consistent: both within their own specific cultural-lingual group religion, and internally consistent between far-flung Aryan pagan religions. (this is remarkable, and surely a sign of the eternal truth within these religions),

    5) Religions of tolerance: so secure were our fore-fathers in the Truth of their knowledge, that they felt no need to declare wars against each other in the name of religion (something all the Semitic religions have a peculiar history of).


    And the true Brahmins of the Vedic religion (i.e. Eastern Aryan Paganism) represent a disproportionate number of the greatest souls this planet has ever seen.
    (A trip to modern India to meet some of these cultivated Brahmins is a portal to this wisdom; and to think that modern India is but a distant reflection of what it once was thousands of years ago
    - but what a glorious reflection!)

    Long may the Brahmins live under the wise Hindu caste system (Varnashramdharma) and the Beauty and Truth of their most ancient of ways.

    P.S.
    I don't know if this has been discussed in a previous thread, but what do you think of the Hindu concept of Kali Yuga (or 'age of gloom') Aupmanyav?
    By all signs we are in the Kali Yuga now.
    As evidenced by the inversion of the natural heirachy in the world, id est the rising of the worthless over the natural elite; and lies replacing the Truth as the common belief...
    But what astrological time-frame do you think this last age of the 4 Yugas is set?
    2400 years? more than 400,000 years?

    I would be interested to know what you think, as well as any others with knowledge of the Vedas and Upanishads.

    Finally, does Kalki ('the Avenger') come to destroy the world completely for a total re-birth?
    Or does Kalki selectively destroy the enemies of Nature in order that only the best will survive?

    Thankyou kindly,
    From Nelson

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Nelson, first let me thank you for such a warm consideration of hindus and their philosophies. It is said that realizing the God is easiest in Kali Yuga. You just have to remember His name. We are 5107 years into Kaliyuga, 427,893 years more. Yes, after Kalki comes the great dissolution (the big crunch) when it all dissolves into Brahman, to start again when it suits Brahman. There are really no enemies. The good and bad all are constituted in Brahman, or even Christians and Muslims. What we see is only an illusion. Wise only see non-difference. What is bad today can be very good tomorrow. The story of Rama (Ramayana) was written by a sage who was a highway robber and a Shudra (Valmiki). The story goes that due to his tapas (intense prayers), he ws given a boon by Brahma that things would happen the way he wrote it. It is said that Ramayana was written before it all happened; and as per Brahma's boon, things had to happen that way.
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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    personally i stopped reading this article when it states the indo-aryans are the precursor to the ainu peoples of japan. also has never been any historical record the indo-aryans went east, and okinawan ruins in anyway connected to india.

    i think we'll see more articles like this in the future. as india becomes increasingly wealthy, the indian peoples' confidence will grow and more scholars will attempt to claim other civilizations' achievements as resulting from their own. just like we have seen previously in other countries.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Cnooc, I seem to be the resident hindu at Skadi. Please note that I have never claimed any such thing (you might check. We are happy to be one part of the world, just like the Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, or Japanese. Hegemony is not the hindu way, co-existence is). On the contrary, I am indebted to the Aryans (who, I believe were foreigners in India, and perhaps my forefathers were from amongst them) for enriching hinduism with their books, philosophy, and culture. The buddhist did take something of the Aryan/Hindu wisdom to East. I know that Ainus form an aboriginal group in the Northern Island, I am not aware of the Okinawan ruins. Kindly excuse my ignorance.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Kohistani, the history of Sudhuns is interesting. The word probably comes from Su+yodhan (su=well, yodhan=fight, those who fight well; BTW, Duryodhan also means the same, Dur=difficult, yodhan= fight, one who is difficult to fight with; you also had the Youdheyas 'fighters', Johiyas, in Multan). These were probably Aryan kshatriyas. After they lost to invading tribes from Central Asia and Iran (scythians, khuzars 'gujars', arattas 'jats', greeks, pahlavas, parthians, kushans, huns; how long could they hold?), they took up trade, these today make the hindu and muslim Khatris in Northern India, North & Western Pakistan, and some even in Afghanistan. So, really they are kshatriyas who took up Vaishya vritti (profession of the traders). Of course, now, such caste-wise professions are passe. You can find them in army, in education, in trade, anywhere.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnooc View Post
    i think we'll see more articles like this in the future. as india becomes increasingly wealthy, the indian peoples' confidence will grow and more scholars will attempt to claim other civilizations' achievements as resulting from their own. just like we have seen previously in other countries.
    India increasingly wealthy?

    Its all a myth, the paragon of which is Bangalore. But ocme to visit this city's length and breadth and you will discover the filth and squalor which is 90% of the city. With poverty that escapes the eyes of the media that reports its affluence.

    Inequality, that comes across as gross and heart rending, is the story of the "increasingly wealthy & modern" India.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    That is why you have engaged in ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Brahmins from the valley. Not to worry, as you have yourself said, in Sikandar Butshikan's time there remained only 11 families and they increased to some 300,000 now. We will come back.

    BTW, my nephew's wife resembles this lady very much, her daughter (around the same age) is even daintier.
    I am not a Muslim.

    And the only situation to which Kashmiri Pandits went back to the valley was further trouble and claims of genocide by this insignificant community.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Squalor and riches, India is a complex story. Tell me if many of those in shanties do not have a refrigerator, TV, or a scooter? They are progressing. 90% or 40%, that is a subjective assessment. I thought you were a muslim,forgott that you may be Rahul (?) with your roots in Afghanistan. Remember what happened in Punjab, how many shifted to other places during the troubled years. Now nobody thinks about it. Remember what happened in Bihar. Now things are better. Situations change.
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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Aupmanyav, you are referring to problems which have absolutely nothing in common. This is what Indians tend to do, mixing up time and space. They don't tend to care about answers to the more difficult problems confronting them. So what you do get is a shrinking territory with little space for billions populating it.

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    Re: Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kohistani
    The hunger for religion in europe can be satisfied only with Islam because it is a spirited religion and european populations have always been spiritually close to jewish arabic religious tendencies.
    What makes Islam more "spirited" than any other, and what makes you say Europeans have been spiritually close to semitic tendencies - what tendencies are these?

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