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    Well, to be honest, strictly musically speaking, I find that some hip hop/rap sounds alright. I admit having listened to Falco and Beastie Boys and even to C-Block in my teens and I didn't think the music sounded bad.
    So I don't think the music itself is a problem either, but the image/subculture since nowadays hip hop = basically ghetto, wiggers and this kind of lifestyle. Yes, I think if rappers sang nationalist songs (and pulled up their pants ) they could influence people.

    P.S. I was just going to ask now who's going to write some pro-Germanic hip hop lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    P.S. I was just going to ask now who's going to write some pro-Germanic hip hop lyrics.
    I haven't listened to any but I know there are a few rappers/hiphopers with nationalistic(ish) lyrics.

    "[Fler] has been accused of nationalist views, because of his lyrics in songs like "Neue Deutsche Welle" (New German Wave [allusion to the so called "Neue Deutsche Welle" in the 1980's]) and "Das hier ist schwarz, rot, gold - hart und stolz" (This is black, red, gold (colors of the Flag of Germany) - hard and proud), which some claim have fascist themes, although Fler has denied being fascist."

    http://www.last.fm/music/Fler

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    Quote Originally Posted by ÆinvargR View Post
    I haven't listened to any but I know there are a few rappers/hiphopers with nationalistic(ish) lyrics.

    "[Fler] has been accused of nationalist views, because of his lyrics in songs like "Neue Deutsche Welle" (New German Wave [allusion to the so called "Neue Deutsche Welle" in the 1980's]) and "Das hier ist schwarz, rot, gold - hart und stolz" (This is black, red, gold (colors of the Flag of Germany) - hard and proud), which some claim have fascist themes, although Fler has denied being fascist."

    http://www.last.fm/music/Fler
    I already mentioned Fler in my previous post. It could also be "ich bin deutsch, bin drauf stolz" (I am German and proud of it) or "blaue augen, weiße haut, tätowiert, breit gebaut" (blue eyes, white skin, tattooed, broadly built) - lyrics from his song "Deutscha badboy".
    Even Bushido has been accused of "nationalistic" views and "hate rap" because some lyrics are found to be offensive due to some alleged reference to Hitler and there's a tendency to associate this with the far right. Some claim that such references are just made to provoke and stir up excitement though.

    One theory suggests that the overt usage of such terminology indicates a changing of the old guard and signals a new era in German national history during which the country's Nazi past can finally be shed and patriotism, albeit in a very condensed form, can exist in a healthy environment. A second idea that immediately comes to mind is the inclusion of taboo lyrics to stir up controversy and attract attention to one's product. The artists affiliated with the often controversial label Aggro Berlin have employed this strategy tactically a number of times. [...]
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    The important thing is not to take music too seriously. Listen to it, enjoy it, go see a band play live, but don't pretend there's anything profound about the lyrics. They have to rhyme, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    The important thing is not to take music too seriously. Listen to it, enjoy it, go see a band play live, but don't pretend there's anything profound about the lyrics. They have to rhyme, after all.
    Easy to say not as easy to do. Music is a very important part of teenage identity. Ya know, just like fashion and iPods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    The important thing is not to take music too seriously. Listen to it, enjoy it, go see a band play live, but don't pretend there's anything profound about the lyrics. They have to rhyme, after all.
    Personally I don't pay attention to most lyrics (meine lieblingsgenre ist 80's hair metal after all eyes but a lot of people do (eg white indie fans!). Music is also an important source of identity to many people especially growing up (teenage 'scenes' etc) which is also when they're very susceptible to influence. Music has always been very influenced by other cultures I guess that reflects today as well, a lot of music has that kind of anti-national message & the music scene is virulently 'leftist'. Which impacts the 'kidz' growing up as well. If their favorite artist is 'Black Eyed Peas' it is something which stands against them adopting 'ethnocentric' style views.
    Teenagers often fight/exclude/include on basis of what kind of music another listens to as well. Its hard to play the influence down (see quote at the end). The success of blick rappers helps them become 'sex symbols' for teenage white girls etc. 'Rock against racism' is a big thing. On the other side, modern nationalism is often (negatively) associated with a music scene (skinheads etc. IMO it's bad in that you go to Thiazi, how can someone say they like 'haterock' and have SN's like 'full of hate' or w/e and expect to be taken serioously by anyone outside that scene?) and that scene is also a big part in influencing developing those teens into a 'nationalist' outlook in life.

    I do wonder if the internet had been around 50 years ago if people would be saying the same thing about rock, but since rock has been 'whitified' over the years it obscures the black influence somewhat. A lot of 'wn' types even doubt or deny it. At the time conservatives thought it was animalistic etc. Anyway, i still find it interesting because rap obviously even less related to euro-culture than rock/blues/etc (which had some kind of relation to euro-folk etc) and at this point in time it seems hard for me to belive 'nationalist rap' 'white rap' etc being accepted in the way that rock has, even though I know if I was alive in the 50's i might have the same attitude toward rock and roll (more likely, I would have just gone with the trends, I'm only here becuase I was exposed to 'internet hate speech ' in the first place and fell naturally into it right away, otherwise I was just a 'normal' person with leanings in that direction ).

    I don't agree (earlier) that rap was brought mainstream by white artists (in the same way which rock was), which is another difference in why rock seems more 'white', Falco is pretty unknown out of euope and hardly has much of a legacy here or elsewhere, and beasty boys is just one of dozens of successful rap artiss of the time, most of whom were black, euro-dance even started using black rappers and female black singers allllll the time in the early 90's/late 80's, it's a bit of a cheesy cliche I do find it funny though that the rapper with the best lyrics (IMO) is white (eminem) .
    Rap really 'blew up' in the late 80's/90's (especially) and since the late 90's is the dominant popular genre, nearly all of which was due to black artists.

    '...those that excite the ears are said to produce noise, sound, or harmony. The last of these has so crazed human beings that they belived that God, too, is delighted by harmony; again, there were some philosophers who persuaded themselves that the movements of the heavenly bodies produce a harmony. All this shows ... he has accepted the affectations of the imagination as things' (Spinoza)

    ie, people take music more seriously than they should even the wisest people.

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    P.S. I was just going to ask now who's going to write some pro-Germanic hip hop lyrics.
    I'm sure most have seen this already but... this guy? :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    But why is this true? Most American whites over 18 years old reject hip-hop outright. Only white American teens and pre-teens imitate this lifestyle and music.
    That is true, probably because most American Whites over 18 aren't still 'rebelling', and have realized sub-cultures aren't a form of rebellion anyway. That or because rap is for developmentally inferior people anyway (DAYM NIGGA DAT BEAT BE BUMPIN), hence its appeal to teenagers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    Sadly, I don't think this is true. Many don't listen to hip-hop and only hip-hop but they do listen to it and enjoy it whenever its in a party or club. It's become the only way to party nowadays. I go to college and you can't go to a party that doesn't play only rap...unless you go to one of my parties that is .
    Different case here really. Since my city is pretty segregated (each race is probably 1/3rd of the population, mexicans/blacks/whites) they tend to greatly embrace their 'culture' (or whats left of them) as they tend to despise the other groups from frequent interaction. I suppose some Whites may find rap attractive, but they are the ones that usually hang out with Blacks regardless (a lost cause, if you will).

    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    I think that this is a huge problem. Someone needs to either bring back a musical genre that people will party to or create something new from our own culture that will get people away from the idea that somehow you can only party with rap music. That's why I like European techno and electronica (Kraftwerk, anyone?). It has good beat and rhythm that people from the "party = rap" mindset will appreciate and it helps break them out of the cycle of "when I go to a party I should hear only rap".
    Most White teens listen to their cute little corporate rock bands or their pretentious 'indie' garbage (Death Cab for Cutie, anyone? eyes. None really listen to rap all too much.

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    Whether or not Whites listen to rap is irrelevant. It's the tolerance of it built up over decades which is more alarming, and also the influence it's had on popular White artists like Nelly Furtado and Björk, who have a wider White audience worldwide. The more our young people are taught to tolerate Black music and its representation of culture, the more their racial values are undermined. It's the constant bombardment of MTV, Hip Hop, charts and ghetto fashion that has worn down White people's natural distaste for the negro. The multiculturalists are trying to turn our values upside-down and make the African a symbol of cultural potency, rather than the plague of civic degeneracy that he really is.

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    The Beastie Boys are actually Jewish-Adam Yauch & Michael Diamond from Brooklyn

    They are more followers than pioneers-in the early 80s, they were part of the NYC Hardcore scene, later they adapted rap with License to Ill, and kept with the general hip-hop genre with rock and some techno aspects as well. Hey, they make good music and I still listen to them.

    I'll admit I used to listen to rap in my teen years-inspired by none other than the Beastie Boys-when I went to college I listened to 'East coast vs West coast' battles on a the St Louis rap station, LL Cool J vs Busta Rhymes (actually higher quality than the shrieky garbage on today), but then I discovered techno which combined better beats than rap with the excellent melodies our people have always produced going back to the days of classical music-since then, I have listened to everything but rap, hip-hop, R&B, country, and Jazz. It's just so blah. I can only hope others make the same journey, as I have seen rap and glorification of blacks everywhere now, even at the clubs I went to in Danzig. It's still evident our own people are better at this than the Africans, Eminem (A germanic named Marshall Mathers) and MC PeePants (spoof from the Aqua Teen HungerForce cartoon) make better music than the junk the Africans make. Even some of my far-left friends realize this, complaining that the best beats in rap are samples of other/older tunes.
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    The problem is that it's sang by negroes and whites who want to be negroes (wiggers). I would't care how good or bad it sounded if it were sang by Europeans. The message is conveys - obscenity, vulgarity, cuss words, oversexualizations, misogyny, is typical ghetto lifestyle.

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