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Thread: East Versus West - A Comparison of Germany Before and After Reunification

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    East Versus West - A Comparison of Germany Before and After Reunification

    Just a question from a curious American. How are things going after the reunification? I heard Nazism is still pretty strong in some areas of Germany especially East Germany.

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    AW: West Germany Vs East Germany

    East Germany begins east of the Oder river and is currently under Polish occupation.
    If you are referring to middle Germany (formerly Soviet occupied zone), things indeed look quite promising there regarding nationalism.
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Re: West Germany Vs East Germany

    A good friend and comrade is from Dresden!I think that Dresden was part of DDR or i'm mistaken?The truth is that in former East Germany N.S ideas are more popular than the West!
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    Re: West Germany Vs East Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Eugen
    A good friend and comrade is from Dresden!I think that Dresden was part of DDR or i'm mistaken?The truth is that in former East Germany N.S ideas are more popular than the West!
    Yes it seems West Germany in general is more liberal and decadent.

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    Re: West Germany Vs East Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Yes it seems West Germany in general is more liberal and decadent.
    Have you ever been in Holland?Compare to Holland German or France look like paradise!
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    Re: AW: West Germany Vs East Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    If you are referring to middle Germany (formerly Soviet occupied zone), things indeed look quite promising there regarding nationalism.
    Am I correct in saying that Middle Germany is much more racially homogeneous then Western Germany?

    I've heard that this area recieved very little thrid immigration from 1946-1990 when it was part of the Communist bloc.

    I understand that the quality of life in Middle Germany still lags a good deal behind that of western Germany. Is this area catching up economically? I've heard that unemployment is still quite high in certan regions there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janos Hunyadi
    Am I correct in saying that Middle Germany is much more racially homogeneous then Western Germany?

    I've heard that this area recieved very little thrid immigration from 1946-1990 when it was part of the Communist bloc.
    This is true. Also one has to note that during the Communists reign Middle Germans were not forced to intermingle with other Soviet occupied people. They were pretty much left alone in this regard and kept their Germanness.

    I understand that the quality of life in Middle Germany still lags a good deal behind that of western Germany. Is this area catching up economically? I've heard that unemployment is still quite high in certan regions there.
    It´s getting worse, actually and that´s a positive thing. The nationalistic awakening will have its center in Middle Germany.
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    AW: West Germany Vs East Germany

    During the GDR era there were some Vietnamese and Negro guest workers from socialist "brother countries" in Middle Germany, but they were kept in an almost ghetto-like way seperated from the Germans. That was actually exemplary politics compared with the West German multicultural ideology of the "alien fellow citizen".
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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    AW: West Germany Vs East Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    During the GDR era there were some Vietnamese and Negro guest workers from socialist "brother countries" in Middle Germany, but they were kept in an almost ghetto-like way seperated from the Germans. That was actually exemplary politics compared with the West German multicultural ideology of the "alien fellow citizen".
    True. I know several Middle German comrades who would prefer the GDR to the FRG anytime.
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Re: West Germany Vs East Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Paladin
    Just a question from a curious American. How are things going after the reunification? I heard Nazism is still pretty strong in some areas of Germany especially East Germany.
    The former German Democratic Republic is still catching up with the rest of the Federal Republic economically speaking. It shifted from a planned economy (the communist model) to a market economy (the capitalist model). After the reunification, many industrial facilities were closed and as a result, many Germans remained unemployed. The dissatisfaction with unemployment is one factor that enables Germans from the East to give their support to parties like the NPD who promise a change instead of the already established parties.

    Another possible factor could be the fact that in the former GDR, German citizens did not undergo a similar process of "reeducation" to the extent of the one in the FRG. This was not so much for nationalistic reasons, but because the GDR considered the FRG a "fascist" state and thus in its eyes, the war reparation issue was strictly a Western issue. Being proud to be German was not politically incorrect. Patriotism was actually a significant element of GDR education, and at some point it included the promotion of Prussianism and glorified German past. Of course, pride in history was given political connotations (e.g. the 1848 Revolution was viewed as a communist, proletarian revolution) and it went as far as depicting Martin Luther as a socialist, so it was cultivated in order to fulfill communist purposes.

    Although it was a state resulting from Soviet occupation, the East German version of Soviet rule had its local color. GDR prime minister Otto Grotewohl had said something along the lines of restoring the nation and adding national characteristics to art. Here is a quote:

    "If a really great and exalted national art is to unfold, the unity of our nation must be restored. That is not in contrast to the world. Quite the opposite, the greater value a work of art has for the entire world, for the whole of mankind, the deeper its roots are buried in the soil of the nation; the more international its significance, the more national are its characteristics, its origin and its form."
    The anti-immigration feeling in the former East is strong in some areas. In East Berlin for example, there are no-go areas for foreigners.

    "If you're dark-skinned, you simply can't go into certain areas in east Berlin on weekend nights," says Anetta Kahane, head of the Amadeu-Antonio Foundation, which aims to rein in extreme right-wing violence in Germany.

    "In the Pankow and Lichtenberg districts in east Berlin, for example, foreigners have a 25-times greater chance of being attacked than in the western part of the city," she says.
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    In the former GDR there is, however, also a prevalence of support for the socialist left. The PDS (Party for Democratic Socialism, comprised of former SED politicians) is quite strong there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Eugen
    A good friend and comrade is from Dresden!I think that Dresden was part of DDR or i'm mistaken?The truth is that in former East Germany N.S ideas are more popular than the West!
    Yes, Dresden was part of the formed German Democratic Republic. Here is a map. The states in blue are former GDR states. Dresden lays in Saxony.



    Quote Originally Posted by Janos Hunyadi
    Am I correct in saying that Middle Germany is much more racially homogeneous then Western Germany?

    I've heard that this area recieved very little thrid immigration from 1946-1990 when it was part of the Communist bloc.
    Yes, most immigration was from qualified workers and students from countries like Vietnam. The Vietnamese arrived in the GDR in order to receive a vocational or higher education (the earlier GDR development strategy had been to build factories in north Vietnam, an exercise rendered pointless by American bombardments).

    Some of those who were present in East Germany at the time of the decline of communist rule immigrated to the West in the months following the fall of the Wall. Others accepted an offer by the government which funded their return to Vietnam plus offered them extra money. The former GDR was simply economically disadvantageous for these guest workers.

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