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    Country with Germanic Influence (Visigothic)

    Under Ataulf the Visigoths left (412) Italy and went into S Gaul and N Spain. They increased their territories in Spain (which was evacuated by the Vandals), acquired Aquitaine, and extended their influence to the Loire valley, making Toulouse their capital. The height of Visigothic power was reached under Euric (466–84), who completed the conquest of Spain. In 507, Alaric II was defeated at Vouillé by the Franks under Clovis, to whom he lost nearly all his possessions N of the Pyrenees. Toledo became the new Visigothic capital, and the history of the Visigoths became essentially that of Spain.

    Weakened by warfare with the Franks and the Basques and by Byzantine penetration in S Spain, the kingdom recovered its vigor in the late 6th cent. under Leovigild and under Recared, whose conversion to Catholicism facilitated the fusion of the Visigothic and the Hispano-Roman populations of Spain. King Recceswinth imposed (c.654) a Visigothic common law on both his Gothic and his Roman subjects, who previously had lived under different codes (see Germanic laws). The church councils of Toledo became the main force in the government, and the royal power was weakened accordingly.

    King Wamba, who succeeded Recceswinth, was deposed after a civil war, and thereafter the kingdom was torn by civil strife. When the last king, Roderick, seized the throne, his rivals appealed to the Muslim leader Tarik ibn Ziyad, whose victory (711) in a battle near Medina Sidonia ended the Visigothic kingdom and inaugurated the Moorish period in the history of Spain.

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    Germanic Preservation in Spain

    What do you think of Germanic preservation in Spain? Is it a realistic wish of the Visigothic peoples? In Catalunya there are still blond haired and blue eyed Spaniard with Visigothic ancestors. Spain is, contrary to the public opinion, not a pure Latin country. Spain is like France, Celto-Romano-Germanic.


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    Germanic is no pure racial category, what language do these Germanic Spaniards speak?
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    Sounds like Spain should concentrate on staying Spanish. The Visigoths were likely a minority elite and the Spanish don't speak a Germanic tongue in 2008 so...........

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    Is the Visigothic element of Spain any more substantial than the Vandal (no pun intended) presence in North Africa?

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    There are blond and blue eyed people almost everywhere in Europe. They mostly look their nationality just with blond hair and blue eyes. Nordics are rare enough in Northern Europe, don't get me started about Spain. Spanish nationalists have a hard time already telling the Spaniards to be proudly Spanish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa View Post
    What do you think of Germanic preservation in Spain? Is it a realistic wish of the Visigothic peoples? In Catalunya there are still blond haired and blue eyed Spaniard with Visigothic ancestors. Spain is, contrary to the public opinion, not a pure Latin country. Spain is like France, Celto-Romano-Germanic.

    Only East Germanics, plus Alans and that's the basis for character differences of both Spain and Portugal, sharing a Goth and Vandal heritage with France and Italy, even a Swabian one with Germany. Strangest thing about East Germanics, is that they had their own alphabet and Arian confession apart from Roman Catholics which brings to mind the Lutheran Gutenberg Bible in Fraktur script, yet they became the basis of Latin Europe and Avignonesque Counter-Reformation. West Germanics largely began as Roman Catholics using the Latin alphabet and became Protestant during the Reformation. It's therefore odd how circumstances flipped, but Easterners typically lived wholly on Roman soil, whereas Westerners kept along the frontier, so relative differences in pressure changed everything. Hard to maintain East Germanic heritage solely on a paternal basis; hardly an issue for Northerners.

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    Sounds like Spain should concentrate on staying Spanish. The Visigoths were likely a minority elite and the Spanish don't speak a Germanic tongue in 2008 so...........
    Visigoth and Spanish are one and the same.

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    There are blond and blue eyed people almost everywhere in Europe. They mostly look their nationality just with blond hair and blue eyes. Nordics are rare enough in Northern Europe, don't get me started about Spain. Spanish nationalists have a hard time already telling the Spaniards to be proudly Spanish...
    All Reconquista kingdoms descend from the Visigoths.

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    Are there actually any genetic evidence of germanic influence? Haven't seen any influence of the Longobards or Goths in Northern parts of Italy as of yet. Except of course the South Tyrol but those are pure germanic inhabitants. Have they assimilated that much or did they just pick up and leave?

    I do welcome studies if there indeed exists germanic blood in the population of those areas as there was pretty major migrations.

    The next tribe to fall was the Visigoths whom the Franks forced out of southern Gaul at the Battle of Vouille in AD 507. The Visigoths fled across the Pyrenees where they managed to establish a new kingdom in central Spain centred in Toledo, where they remained until they were pushed to the very fringes of the Iberian Peninsula by the Muslim invasions of the Berber Moors from AD 711 onwards.vi With the removal of the Visigoths, the Franks had conquered all of Gaul.

    The successor kings of Leon and Castile who launched the Reconquista (reconquest of Spain from the Muslim Moors) from their northern enclave did not claim legitimacy over the territory from Roman times but from their descendency from the Visigoths and their rule of the territory.
    Source: Death of a Nation: A New History of Germany by Stephen R A'Barrow

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