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    Re: Homeschooling - Creating True Alternatives

    I was home schooled for 12th grade. It helped me escape peer pressure and I was able to go to the gym much more and keep in excellent shape. Plus, I feel I was truly able to 'find myself' being by myself more. I was able to discover my true likenesses and dislikes.

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    Homeschooling

    Hey All,

    Just wondering if anyone here has children being home schooled?
    If you are for Home Schooling or Public School/Private School?

    Which one provides the best education?

    I'd agree there is good points to both, but I am more for Public/Private School. I think its very important for the child to learn social skills, make friends, & learn how to deal with things you have to in school, and all the rest that goes along with being in school. What do you think?
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    Being just a few years out of school myself, I can't really give an opinion as a parent, but I can give one as someone whose memory of school isn't yet lost in the mists of time

    I think that while there are significant advantages to home schooling there are also some fairly extensive drawbacks. While it tends to provide a good education, home schooling also tends to do irreparable damage to the social skills of 90% of the children who endure it.

    Public schools of course come with the low standards and left wing propaganda endemic to state education (in the UK it's now almost as bad as in the US)

    I was lucky enough to attend a school that has 3 or 4 VC holders, a few Viscounts, a couple of generals, a nobel laureate or two and a certain Victorian mystic among its alumni. The fees were fairly extortionate but it was worth it. Private schools have the best of both worlds; the social interaction aspect of government schools and the quality of education and propaganda free environment that home schooling provides. A lot of my friends' parents endured fairly significant hardships paying the fees, but were all convinced that in the long run the expense would repay themselves ten times over.

    Another alternative that has taken off here in England has been groups of 40 or 50 parents getting together and opening a small school themselves; they get to control the curriculum nad quality of education while avoiding the isolation of home schooling.

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    Home schooling is forbidden here but I would consider it to be a good alternative to the very poor and biased education that children are receiving.

    As for the cons, first, children need to socialize. Second, for a variety of reasons, overlapping between the parent and the teaches roles is not educationally correct. So this might be the best option:

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    Another alternative that has taken off here in England has been groups of 40 or 50 parents getting together and opening a small school themselves; they get to control the curriculum nad quality of education while avoiding the isolation of home schooling.

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    There are various options I guess, from homeschooling, to small local schools of under 100 pupils, all the way up to large institutions. From my perspective the best thing would be to remove government from the matter of education altogether. Government education does not appear to create independent-minded students.

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    We home-schooled our children for their first 5 school years. We did it because at the time the public school system we were in was not good at all.
    The only thing the children would have learned was the Spanish language and drug selling.

    Home-schooling is much hard work for he parents.

    We live in a much better school district now and the children go to public school but we are still very involved in their learning.

    I have always disagreed with parents who stated that children who were home-schooled would be deprived of socialization skills.
    Children do not learn proper socialization skills from other children. They learn these skills from adults. From the examples other adults around them set and the expectations these adults have of them. If they learned them from other children they would probably act like children for the rest of their lives.

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    I have never met or observed a home schooled child. My sister encountered one while she was doing work experience in America with a horse breeders. She described the child, who was about 9 years old at the time, as "ego-maniacal" and without any obvious awareness that another person, even an adult, would have a point of view or an opinion which superseded his own.

    She said his parents had no control over him whatever and had even made him a "member of the board" of their company.He would demand to sit in on board meetings be listened to and have his opinion taken into account as if he was a 40 year-old. He was like a mini adult in the way he would speak to grown-ups, except of course that he didn't have adult experience.

    His grandmother was the only person who appeared to have any control over him. His parents treated him as if he was some sort of genius and would even run errands for him.

    This is admittedly probably an extreme example and the out-come may be due to bad parenting as much as to the home-school environment. However I would imagine that the decreased level of interaction with other children his own age coupled with the increased interaction with adults, almost certainly had a significant influence on the development of the childs personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    There are various options I guess, from homeschooling, to small local schools of under 100 pupils, all the way up to large institutions. From my perspective the best thing would be to remove government from the matter of education altogether. Government education does not appear to create independent-minded students.
    I am not sure about this. I think there are many good school systems, of coarse not every one, there are some great students, smart, outgoing, then there are the ones there just waisting time, along with the teachers who aren't always the best.

    My experience with Government education is some of the teachers/schools are so wonderful you could never forget, others don't add up.

    I definitely don't think we can excuse the whole system as crap, along with the students, thats just not true.

    I also think being independent - minded comes more from your parents than school. At the schools I attended, kids did what they wanted, whether that was studying or fucking off, being a cheerleader, or being a nerd. Thats sounds independent. I also think a lot of times how a child does in school comes from whether the parent makes education important.

    There is also the kids who refuse to be like their parents & that gives them the will to go all the way & become something.

    Everyone I knew that was home schooled was strange, church skirt wearer or strange. I do not think that applies to every situation. A problem I also have is I have known of people who home schooled there children, who didn't make shit out of there life, so what are they possibly going to teach their children? Also makes me wonder how easy it must be to be able to home teach. If the parent is very intelligent & there are good reasons, & everything will be "normal" for the child then OK.

    For the parents who just don't wanna let their kids out in the real world, get over it!
    For the parents who just think the system is bad, & thinks they can do it better, I hope your right & I can't knock that' ....
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    If and when I have any children, I will definitely home school them for as long as I can/as long as they wish. That is, if the school system around where I currently live is still in the shape it is right now (if I do not move to another area or even country by then).

    Looking back - I see how 'dumbed down' alot of my classes in middle school and highschool really were, and how friends who were homeschooled learned certain things atleast two years or so in advance. A couple graduating at just 15/16, when the average now is 17/18.

    I believe socializing my children with others should not be so hard, as long as I would be willing to help them. I would hope to live in a neighborhood with other children around and there are plenty of local organizations for young children, such as camps/scouts/YMCA get togethers of sorts/town sports teams as apposed to ones through public schools, etc.

    Actually, now that I thought about it - I am pretty sure I have heard that a child can still join a schools team even if he/she is homeschooled and not currently enrolled in the school. They just have to be from the same town.
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    I was homeschooled from 9th grade until I finished high school. I asked my mother to withdrawal me from the public school system when it became obvious most time and effort the teachers had was spent disciplining the students (usually the Negro students). As a result, the entire class was forced to work at a slower pace and the teachers weren't able to show many of their teaching abilities because they were so busy sending other students to the dean's office or interrupting lessons to fight with a troublemaker.

    When I became homeschooled, all of this changed. The learning material was more challenging, about the level of Honors or AP classes. Knowing that my education was literally placed in my hands, I became a more focused and responsible student. Homeschooling offered room to make my education more personal. I took ballet lessons or went to flute lessons for electives. I had to teach myself and gather my own ideas much of the time, so my parent wasn't really doing a whole lot of the instructing, but was there usually if I had questions. If I wanted more teacher or student interaction, there were always homeschooling groups around where I could sit in a class if I wanted to. I even paid to attend some classes at the local college. I finished about a year sooner than I would have had I remained in the public school system.

    The only thing the public school system might offer is socialization skills, but tell me, do you really want your children socializing with Mexicans and/or Negroes? They are the reason the schools have become so chaotic. They are the reason homeschooling is so popular.

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