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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynhild View Post
    Ye Gods, if this isn't another scare-mongering tactic, it's an excuse for girls to think: "Hey, I can have a load of partners and still avoid cancer by taking the shot."
    I really doubt that's the message they're trying to send. A girl can get HPV from having one partner, especially seeing as most men don't show any signs of it, and it is so common. Not to mention it can be passed on even if condoms are used.

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    Immunizations for those who want them, yes.

    Trampling religious beliefs to force people to immunize their children? No.

    Allowing a psychiatrist to use drugs to turn my (hypothetical) child into a zombie because he/she looked out the window in class? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    I really doubt that's the message they're trying to send. A girl can get HPV from having one partner, especially seeing as most men don't show any signs of it, and it is so common. Not to mention it can be passed on even if condoms are used.
    Hang on a moment. I could be misunderstanding what you're suggesting here, but last I looked, Men don't have a cervix? Do you know what a cervix is? I didn't say that was the message that they're sending, but it could be what some girls would be thinking.

    I knew a virgin woman who died from it, but she'd be an exception. Doctors will always ask how many partners do you have/have you had? Seems to me that they are implying the more partners and intercourse you have the more stress the cervix is under.
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    Some immunization and vaccination drugs have a kill rating comparible to the disease they are trying to prevent. There is also a lot of groups trying to organize a class action law suit against some of them. I would say such invasive medicine should be refrained from and be used as a last resort such as in the case of rabies since it's essentially a death sentence otherwise.

    Oh and that cancer vaccination sounds like snake oil in it's purest form. Cancer is a side effect of damage cells/genetics, not a virus. That's like trying to immunize someone from old age or stupidity.

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    Men can have HPV without having a cervix. They just get penile and anal cancer. The vaccine in question is for several strains of HPV. The virus damages cells and makes them more prone to cancer.

    About immunizations in general I support informed patient/parental concent. I think that sanatizers other than boiling are used too frequently. The immune system needs challenges to fully develop. I recieved the 'standand' immunazation shots and so have my children. My kids have not had thermasol(sp?) in theirs though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    Men can have HPV without having a cervix. They just get penile and anal cancer. The vaccine in question is for several strains of HPV. The virus damages cells and makes them more prone to cancer.

    About immunizations in general I support informed patient/parental concent. I think that sanatizers other than boiling are used too frequently. The immune system needs challenges to fully develop. I recieved the 'standand' immunazation shots and so have my children. My kids have not had thermasol(sp?) in theirs though.

    Fair enough. To me, though, it's like dishing out medicine before the symptoms are even prevalent. Cancer has a metaphysical cause, and the root cause is our emotions. Stress is also a trigger. Everyone has it - something just needs to set it off. And I'm all too aware of what it's like to lose loved ones to cancer.

    I still stand by the fact that doctors and pharmaceutical companies will not inform patients of what truly goes into their medicines - because they have the most to lose financially. I still also stand by the fact that the world is getting sicker, not healthier.
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