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    Your Opinion on Libertarianism?

    Libertarianism or classical liberalism(what's the difference?) seems to have a "cult following" these days. I agree with some facets of it, but it just strikes me as a "let it be" attitude. No nation ever became great without at least some governmental Interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Voyager View Post
    Libertarianism or classical liberalism(what's the difference?) seems to have a "cult following" these days. I agree with some facets of it, but it just strikes me as a "let it be" attitude. No nation ever became great without at least some governmental Interference.
    No, no nation ever became great without some government interference, but lots of individuals do. While the concept of "nation" certainly has some redeeming features, I'd still like to see the least amount of government involved as possible. I think people are better off when left to form their own associative groups (social & economic) organically. I've never met you, but I bet I have more in common with you than some Mestizo who happens to have citizenship in the U.S. I favor freedom over security as well, so that may influence my thought. I'd rather live on my own as a free man than exist on my knees subserviant to some bloated bureacracy that doesn't give a rat's ass about me or my kin anyway. Having said all that I'm still proud to be an American (I haven't gone total AnCap yet), but I could still do with a lot less American government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galloglaich View Post
    No, no nation ever became great without some government interference, but lots of individuals do. While the concept of "nation" certainly has some redeeming features, I'd still like to see the least amount of government involved as possible. I think people are better off when left to form their own associative groups (social & economic) organically. I've never met you, but I bet I have more in common with you than some Mestizo who happens to have citizenship in the U.S. I favor freedom over security as well, so that may influence my thought. I'd rather live on my own as a free man than exist on my knees subserviant to some bloated bureacracy that doesn't give a rat's ass about me or my kin anyway. Having said all that I'm still proud to be an American (I haven't gone total AnCap yet), but I could still do with a lot less American government.
    I never said I wanted state totalitarianism. I believe that government is needed to maintain social order, but I'm not talking about going as far as installing CCTV in your home, I also favour privacy and civil liberty just not on such an extreme level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Voyager View Post
    I never said I wanted state totalitarianism. I believe that government is needed to maintain social order, but I'm not talking about going as far as installing CCTV in your home, I also favour privacy and civil liberty just not on such an extreme level.
    Voyager,
    I didn't really take your post as an any endorsement of authoritarianism. If I seemed extreme, it was only because my post was a fairly rushed one before having to rush out the door and I just wanted to inject a few (admittedly terse) sentiments out there. I was also projecting from a more "American" POV. Regardless, I still think that the more free-market options and personal liberties a society has ingrained in its fabric, the better. I just see how much "top down" administrational inefficiencies have degraded the wonderful nation in which I live. I would like to see it scaled back before it reaches critical mass (or has it already?).

    Even though the document has little pertinence to many of the constituents of this forum, I'd be happy with a return (within the U.S.) to the fundamental principles of the U.S. Constitution, with special philosophical (essentially minarchist) emphasis on the interpretation of the "necessary and proper" clause (Art. 1, sec. 8, clause 18) taken to mean "Must be absolutely and extremely necessary and proper; especially in light of the 10th Amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."). But I digress, and I'm sure many of you may care little for something that doesn't really apply anyway.

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    Libertarianism is so preferred today because every government is run by people without the Nations interests in mind, therefore I can see why it is liked. But it will always pale in comparison to a properly run hierarchal government, as history has shown. There will never be a libertarian nation reaching the heights of Rome, Sparta, Imperial Japan, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. in any field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    ...There will never be a libertarian nation reaching the heights of Rome, Sparta, Imperial Japan, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. in any field.
    That all depends on what you define as the "heights".
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    I think Libertarianism is a bit too utopian. It can be achieved, but not maintained.
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    England was "libertarian" up until the early 20th Century. So much was achieved by private investment. The police force was tiny and crime was low.

    It does work... but not with today's calibre of citizen. I used to be a diehard libertarian but now I'm mostly apolitical. When you are libertarian everything the government does stresses you out, it's best to step back and accept (1) democracy & politicians are dumb (2) things will continue getting a little worse and there's nothing one can do about it.

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    ...There will never be a libertarian nation reaching the heights of Rome, Sparta, Imperial Japan, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. in any field.
    I'm sorry but I don't think any sane Libertarian wants a "Libertarian Empire", don't confuse imperialism with libertarianism. I'd rather be dead than live in the Roman Empire as an average citizen.

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    I think a great country would allow its citizens freedoms and liberties. Just because a country tries to attain "Empire" status, does not mean that it is great. The more the USA inched towards becoming an imperial power in the world, the more freedoms were taken away from its citizens.
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