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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    That's because religion and economic systems have a huge impact on the lives of people. What happens today is the inheritance and history of tomorrow. You might not care what that inheritance is but others do and will contribute more by activism than by indifference
    My point was that most people are not worth speaking of in a debate because their ideals are essentially pure garbage, be they capitalism, socialism, Christianity, whatever. All of them rely on the lower strata of human thinking and should therefore not be included in a debate among intellectuals, which you probably consider yourself to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    " Fighting. ?" How? By coming to a forum and spouting elitist claptrap?

    I can't see how that will change things.
    First of all, you have a preschool conception of the word "fighting", obviously. And secondly, Mr. Socialist revolutionary is surely one to talk internet warfare. Look up the concept of "Silent Revolution", not that a socialist could comprehend anything other than a blood bath of evil greedy capitalists.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I think Blaxis and OEN are right in their more realistic views on repatriation or national autonomy. Infact the views to the contrary displayed here have more than a dash old style colonialist mentality to them.
    Oh no, colonist mentality. Perhaps because half the people arguing about this are....uhh.. Colonial?

    Quote Originally Posted by -jmw- View Post
    So, the abstract concept of "rights" is a no-no, but the abstract concept of "duty" is not?
    Umm... Why?
    Rights are a legal concept, duty is a philosophical concept. Not related at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post

    My point was that most people are not worth speaking of in a debate because their ideals are essentially pure garbage, be they capitalism, socialism, Christianity, whatever. All of them rely on the lower strata of human thinking and should therefore not be included in a debate among intellectuals, which you probably consider yourself to be.
    I don't mean to be a bubble burster but I don't class yourself or myself as intellectuals.

    First of all, you have a preschool conception of the word "fighting", obviously. And secondly, Mr. Socialist revolutionary is surely one to talk internet warfare. Look up the concept of "Silent Revolution", not that a socialist could comprehend anything other than a blood bath of evil greedy capitalists.

    I just associate " fighting" for rights differently then.

    Where is the capitalist bloodbath after 10 years of the Bolivarian Revolution ?

    Or Cuba or Nicaragua?

    Thomas Paine spent time in a French prison for his opposition to the execution of the French king. And they don't come more revolutionary than him , imo.

    It is very much a stereotypical view you hold on socialists and it it is the same with your opinion of black people , imo.



    Oh no, colonist mentality. Perhaps because half the people arguing about this are....uhh.. Colonial?
    It was the colonial mentality of Britain that led to the US revolution. It didn't work for Britain then and it won't work for the US/Europe now. It is dated and no nation believes that white people know what's best for them and any attempt at this leads to the continuation of conflict , not to any sort of stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    As for giving some territory in America or Australia to the folk who lived there before Europeans arrived - why on earth not?

    Unless we seek extermination of American Indians and Australian Aborigines or to live among them and thus eventually mix. Those peoples deserve a homeland too. And not some lame white-mandated reservation or "play area", proper sovereign states so that they take responsibility for themselves and set their own entry requirements.
    Such peoples cannot take responsibility for themselves. They cannot even administer a small town without it becoming a place of crime, violence, child abuse, alcoholism, unemployment and drug use. It will be a century - probably longer - before those people are capable of "taking responsibility" for a country of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I don't mean to be a bubble burster but I don't class yourself or myself as intellectuals.
    Okay.
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    I just associate " fighting" for rights differently then.

    Where is the capitalist bloodbath after 10 years of the Bolivarian Revolution ?

    Or Cuba or Nicaragua?

    Thomas Paine spent time in a French prison for his opposition to the execution of the French king. And they don't come more revolutionary than him , imo.
    1. Cuba actually had quite a violent civil war, I am surprised you don't know that. It is currently a dictatorship too, not the most peaceful government in the world to say the least. Cuban Missile Crisis? No just kidding, they were only trying to defend themselves, those poor socialists .

    2. 50,000 died in the Nicaraguan civil war, nice try. The former head of government was assassinated by socialists after he was forced out.

    3. Bolivia's socialist government was, like all socialist governments, corrupt beyond reason and continually was replaced by new governments and new dictators. Clearly an ideal to strive for. It is now currently being re-capitalized, anyway.

    4. Thomas Paine wasn't a socialist. He was a capitalist, more than anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It is very much a stereotypical view you hold on socialists and it it is the same with your opinion of black people , imo.
    And both are proven true. Who would've thought?

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It was the colonial mentality of Britain that led to the US revolution. It didn't work for Britain then and it won't work for the US/Europe now. It is dated and no nation believes that white people know what's best for them and any attempt at this leads to the continuation of conflict , not to any sort of stability.
    Uhm, you are referring to mercantilism then, which was the sole reason for the U.S. revolution, not because they bossed around non-whites. That has nothing to do with deportation. As for what Nations "think", it doesn't really matter. A lot of Nations were actually better off under Whites, particularly South American and African ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It was the colonial mentality of Britain that led to the US revolution. It didn't work for Britain then and it won't work for the US/Europe now. It is dated and no nation believes that white people know what's best for them and any attempt at this leads to the continuation of conflict , not to any sort of stability.

    What you are overlooking is that it is the US, Europe, Canada & Australia that are now being colonized. And it is not working. If it was wrong for Britian to colonize India or France to colonized Algeria, then isn't it also wrong for India to colonize Britain or Algeria France? Because that is what is taking place. Through demographic transformation, aided by the modern concept of human rights & liberal democracy, the nations of the West are being colonized by the third world. And if the Algerians, Indians, etc... were justified in driving out the French, British or whoever, then why should Europeans, Americans or Australian not also have the right to take back their countries & force the colonizers to return home. The current demographic crisis is about future of the West, not the old colonial conflicts of the 19th & 20th centuries.

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    Repatriation would be my first desire but we all know that's not going to happen. The East-Indians want all the money they can grab here to send back to their greedy immediate families (all 50 of em) , the Blacks genetically speaking don't have the ability to do anything else for themselves besides killing and playing basketball, and I don't think there are any basketball courts out in the jungle. Mexicans don't want to go back to their homes .. ehem .. I mean holes in the ground back in Mexico, and generally all Asians would rather die than go back to their avian flu infested, overcrowded countries so I would have to say Apartheid would be the only solution. If you touch a White woman, you get lynched. :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matamoros View Post
    Such peoples cannot take responsibility for themselves. They cannot even administer a small town without it becoming a place of crime, violence, child abuse, alcoholism, unemployment and drug use. It will be a century - probably longer - before those people are capable of "taking responsibility" for a country of their own.
    Maybe they like it that way? Then let them have it their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matamoros View Post
    Such peoples cannot take responsibility for themselves. They cannot even administer a small town without it becoming a place of crime, violence, child abuse, alcoholism, unemployment and drug use. It will be a century - probably longer - before those people are capable of "taking responsibility" for a country of their own.
    That is because you brought the western standards to their countries.

    Please do not compare your own notion of 'taking care of oneself' in society with that of a tribal, hunter/gatherer community. It is not a valid comparison.

    I am not saying they are better (or worse) - I am merely saying that they would be doing fine in their primitive tribal lifestyle as they had been doing for ages - before the 'white man' inserted the notions of money, porn and alcohol in their societies.

    Of course they cannot handle it - they were forced to make a huge evolutionary leap from primitivism and tribalisn to the western materialistic mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    1. Cuba actually had quite a violent civil war,
    Cuba also had a much more violent corrupt capitalist U.S. vassal system before this civil war which claimed way more casualties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    It is currently a dictatorship too, not the most peaceful government in the world to say the least.
    The U.S. kill tens of thousands of innocent people all over the world and claim they're a democracy, so that makes it all good, right? I'd rather live in a peaceful, albeit very poor, Cuba.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    Cuban Missile Crisis? No just kidding, they were only trying to defend themselves, those poor socialists .
    It was called the Cold War, and Truman started nuclear armament unprovoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    That is because you brought the western standards to their countries.


    before the 'white man' inserted the notions of money, porn and alcohol in their societies.
    I hardly believe that the White man is responsible for these people not being able to moderate themselves. Sounds more like a cop-out to me. Besides, I hardly think that the 'inserted notions' mentioned above are anything close to resembling Western values. Those sort of practises been taught to us by another people, I believe..

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