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    What they mean is that: "I am of German heritage". I doubt very much that they mean that they are German citizens or even ethnically or culturally German.

    Read it this way:

    "I am of German heritage".

    "I am of German ancestry".

    "My family background is German".

    Something along those lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Aequitas View Post
    Where is this question coming from then? Give an example of people who call themselves German when they're American or Canadian?
    Some American racist who come to Germany as tourist call themself German. They say Americans, Canadians, Australians can be like German, English nationals even without nationality and birthright. Here on this forum I receive PN from Canadian who say they're English.

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    Calling oneself 'American" or "Canadian" can be tricky, because of the differnet ethnic groups that have settleed in North America. Hell, in the US we have to share the American label with Negroes & Mestizos. Some persons of Anglo-Germanic stock from the colonial era call themselves American, but they live mainly in areas without racial minorities & that were not affected by the wave of ethnic Europeans in the 19th & early 20th centuries. In Canada, Canadians of Protestant British stock have always shared the Canadian label with the Quebecois & with Irish-Catholics & subsequently with a variety of other Europeans & now large numbers of Asians & Midlle Easterners.

    If restricitve immigration laws had been adopted circa 1830, giving preference to English & Protestant Celts & a limited number of Germans, then Anglo-Germanics in the US might have developed a new ethnic identity as "American". The descendents of the French settlers in Canada became Quebecois because of the lack of infusion of new immigrants, allowing them to develope a sense of ethnic identity. The same thing happen in South Africa with the Afrikaners. But the continued waves of immigrants to the Us made this difficult. Even the Germans who were racially compatible were difficult to assimilate because of the large numbers that came in the mid-19th century & their tendency to settle in ethnic enclaves. And the fact that many 19th century Germans did not translate their surnames into English or Anglicize the spellings - unlike many 18th century German settlers, meant that their names still standout as German after several generations in America.

    So this is why so many Americans & Canadians feel the necessity of eleaborating on their heritage. Many Americans of English heritage do not do this however. Americans of English descent have in many cases been in the America so long their is no longer a folk memory of having lived anywhere else & ethnicity to them means something other then English or Old Stock American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walküre View Post
    Some American racist who come to Germany as tourist call themself German. They say Americans, Canadians, Australians can be like German, English nationals even without nationality and birthright. Here on this forum I receive PN from Canadian who say they're English.

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    Well then the only explanation to that is their confusion and/or shame of being Canadian, American, Australian. I don't share their sympathies and I don't know of any on here who do either. I am, above anything else, a Canadian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkŁre View Post
    Americans who come to Germany can't speak German
    Ich kann Deutsch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkŁre View Post
    I am not speak of racial identity but of nationality. Americans and Canadians are Europeans racially but not nationally and culturally.


    To be German you must speak German and be cultural German, blood is not enough. They should call themself Americans with German ancestry but not German. In Germany we wouldn't consider them German.
    There are Turkish persons living in Germany that speak the German language fluently and have assimilated into German society yet they have no German bloodline. Do you consider them Germans?

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    Is it a big issue what people call themselves or is it an excuse to be snotty and look down at others (generally speaking).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Is it a big issue what people call themselves or is it an excuse to be snotty and look down at others (generally speaking).
    Just some more anti-colonial garbage/resentment that some German Nationals just can't help but spout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emder View Post
    There are Turkish persons living in Germany that speak the German language fluently and have assimilated into German society yet they have no German bloodline. Do you consider them Germans?
    No of course I don't. They aren't racially compatible to be German.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Is it a big issue what people call themselves or is it an excuse to be snotty and look down at others (generally speaking).
    I'm not understand what is snotty but I think it's a big issue. When people want to be called my heritage and they're not it angers me. Self identify isn't enough, you have to be accepted or rejected by other too, that's how ethnicity is recognized. We German nationalists don't accept colonial who call themself German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkŁre View Post
    I'm not understand what is snotty but I think it's a big issue. When people want to be called my heritage and they're not it angers me. Self identify isn't enough, you have to be accepted or rejected by other too, that's how ethnicity is recognized. We German nationalists don't accept colonial who call themself German.
    I can understand your concerns for sure Walkure.... but if you ask a question, then surely you must be willing to listen to the answer... and I don't think you're really listening as yet. I think Allenson said it best (and most concisely), maybe you should read it again :

    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson
    What they mean is that: "I am of German heritage". I doubt very much that they mean that they are German citizens or even ethnically or culturally German.

    Read it this way:

    "I am of German heritage".

    "I am of German ancestry".

    "My family background is German".

    From a personal point of view...

    I myself say that I am ethnically English (because my family came from England and culturally, linguistically etc I am still English), and as an ethnic nationalist this is my nationality too... but my country, my home and my region is Australia. This is a HUGE part of my identity. I am distinctive from an English person who was born and raised in England... much like someone who was born and raised in London can easily be distinguished from someone who was born and raised in Liverpool. Both my ethnicity (English) and my regional home (Australian) are both important parts of my identity.

    If you were to ask me to identify myself I would say that I am an Australian of English heritage.

    I should not have to relinquish my English ancestry and my personal history simply because I was born and raised in a faraway part of the former British Empire. (And I certainly won't do it to appease continental Europeans who do not understand for a second what it is to be a "colonial".) However, I would never relinquish my Australian identity either.


    Quote Originally Posted by Walkure
    Here on this forum I receive PN from Canadian who say they're English.
    Well, Freydis is a bit unusual in her insistence on being 100% English and 0% Canadian. She's the only "colonial" I've ever heard of to do this... Nevertheless, she is adorable and we love her just the way she is.

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