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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    You may feel ashamed of your own image, despite thinking it's made in God's and you may resent others comfortable in their own skin even if they have no body theology.
    I don't know about others, but I am not ashamed of my body. Having a certain sense of modesty does not translate to shame. However, there's a proper place and time to remove the clothes. Bärin is right, it's not only the way others feel about their own body, the way society treats one also matters.

    Since you mention God, originally Adam and Eve were naked and unashamed. And you know why? Because there was no sin. They didn't look at each other as pieces of meat or some type of sexual object. They simply saw the human body in its natural sense. This changed when sin entered into the world. When people look at the naked body, all kinds of impure thoughts go through their heads. And I am not only talking about sexual ones. If you believe for even a minute that practicing nudism on a social scale would remove all of these inclinations, then I'm sorry to say, you are extremely naive. Just look at society the way it is right now. Women who are scantily clothed get sexually assaulted on a regular basis. Remove the little there is that protects their modesty and the same people who assault them would interpret that as a direct provocation. I'm sure someone is going to tell me that women who wear hoodies and baggy clothes get assaulted too and while this is true, there's still no denying that dressing in a provocative manner attracts attention onto yourself. Social nudism would also be a pedophile's dream. Between a furry and a pedophile, which would you say is the more dangerous to society as a whole?

    No perverts like furries could flourish where everybody is clothed in his or her own flesh like any animal already.
    Humans aren't just another animal though, we have civilization and social norms and mores. As for nudity being honesty, yes it is, however precisely because it is something so personal and intimate it's something most people choose to share with their life partner at a point they are comfortable to and not exhibit in public for everyone to see. It's not society's place or business to judge the individual's naked body. We don't live like animals.

    By the way, clothes weren't imposed only because of Christianity. Pre-Christian tribes didn't exactly walk around nude either. Clothes serve other functions apart from providing modesty. They protect us from the elements. Unlike other animals, humans have very little natural insulation. If our ancestors had gone nude jogging in freezing snow, most would have dropped dead from hypothermia. Aside from that, clothes serve to express individuality and ideology or religion. One can easily identify subcultures like the antifa, punks, hippies, goths, metallers or religious groups like Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists etc. according to their clothing.

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    Clothes have been the norm for millennia and as Idis says, they serve more function than just preserving a sense of modesty. If people want to be naked, they're free to create a nudist colony somewhere, there are also nudist beaches and other places specifically eared for nudists where one can be relatively safe. However, nudity should not be imposed on anyone. We aren't animals in the wild. Animals don't know the sense of decency and modesty, which isn't exclusive to Christianity. I myself have no problem with being naked in a safe setting or a setting where it's necessary to be nude - for example at the doctor or gynecologist, for a physical. However I still wouldn't be comfortable walking around naked in a sea of other naked bodies. It would be weird and uncomfortable. Clothing is present in all human societies regardless of culture or religion. This leads me to believe that the want/need to be clothed is innate to humans.

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    I say go for it. Never understood the American prudishness. It's 2020. Plus it's just a birthday suit. Nothing other folks haven't seen before. Euros and Germans in general are more relaxed about nudity. The NS promoted naturism too, as did the East Germans & so on. They call it the FKK (Freikörperkultur), which translates to "free body culture". Actually, if you go to a sauna in Germany, you've gotta strip nude, they ain't gonna accept towels like Americans use to cover themselves. If ya don't wanna strip, ya can't join in, simple as that.

    Some skinny dipping now & then never hurt anyone, we used to do it as kids, then steal & hide the clothes of the most prudish folks in the bunch. Some folks have got to stop being so strict & influenced by Xtian morals. Some Xtian folks I know are so prudish they don't go to the gynecologist bc they're embarrassed of the dr seeing their boobs & reproductive stuff. That's silly. First off, doctors have seen an unlimited amount of folks's bodies, plus health is more important than "modesty". Same goes for the sauna. Ain't it more important to enjoy the effects of it than worry about other folks seeing you nude? Not like those folks care anyway, they're gonna forget about you by the time they go home. In that respect, Anglo culture has a lot to learn from the rest of the Euros. No need to be so uptight.

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    FKK: Is Germany falling out of love with nudism?



    Germany has a long history of embracing nudism, but a recent controversy in Berlin has sparked speculation that Germans are becoming more prudish. What's going on?

    “There’s a bare arse peeking out of every wave,” Romy Schneider is said to have remarked after a visit to the island of Sylt in 1968.

    But nowadays, ‘Freikörperkultur’ (FKK), or free-body culture, is less trendy than ever – or at the very least, it’s divisive. Many Germans love to scamper about in the nude, while others turn their noses up at the idea. On top of this, the pandemic is bringing about new concerns. The Wannsee lido in Berlin, for instance, is no longer welcoming nudists, as they’re seen as posing a health risk in the pandemic.
    See also on The Local:

    While many (particularly older) Germans may be used to stripping off completely at the beach, sauna and swimming pool, women going topless has sparked a raging debate this summer – and one prominent case has led to a whole movement being founded.

    At the beginning of July, one woman bathing topless at the Berlin water area ‘Plansche im Plänterwald’ was accosted by police and accused of indecent exposure. This led to widespread debates about equality. The water park’s security had asked her to put a top on multiple times, and eventually the police were called. The authorities defended the actions of both the park supervisors and the police, but did also apologise to the woman in question, who had been sunbathing with her six-year-old son.

    ‘Equal breasts for all’

    At the core of the discussion is an important question: why are naked breasts an example of this ‘free body culture’, while a cisgender man’s naked chest isn’t?

    Under the motto ‘equal breasts for all’, a campaign has been born. It demands that women be allowed to go topless in places where men are already extended the same privilege. Proponents want to ‘normalise’ breasts instead of sexualising them. Their maxim is ‘no nipple is free until all nipples are free.’

    Further evidence for an increasing discomfort with nudity has been sourced by researchers in recent years. A joint survey with YouGov and the statistics portal Statista found recently that most adults in Germany feel uncomfortable in spaces where nakedness is permitted, for instance in saunas or nudist beaches. Only 28 percent of people reported feeling at ease, compared with 36 percent who were not comfortable.

    The rest of the people surveyed either avoided such places completely, or chose not to volunteer information relating to the topic. Women felt slightly more uncomfortable, at 39 percent, compared with 34 percent of men. In line with the age-old cliché, eastern Germans were more likely to feel comfortable in nudist settings than western Germans, at 36 percent compared with 26 percent.

    ‘No filter’

    The historian Heiko Stoff of Hannover Medical School, who has researched the history of naturism, considers that public debates such as about the topless woman in Berlin are ultimately not representative of broader opinion. For him, the internet is the biggest culprit in terms of instigating shame. In the selfies and full-body photographs which saturate sites like Instagram, an idealisation of thinner bodies with firm skin is dominant.

    “Most pictures that are uploaded have been photoshopped,’ he said. “But when we’re naked on the beach, we can’t put our bodies through a filter. In my view, that’s definitely part of the reason why so many people feel uncomfortable with nakedness nowadays.”

    And even if some people feel comfortable putting their imperfect bodies on show at the beach, many still feel a certain pressure to resemble conventional beauty standards.

    “It doesn’t take long for you to feel like a failure, or like someone who has not succeeded in making their body meet the ideal,” Stoff said. “That steals the joy of nakedness, and replaces it with stress and a certain competitiveness.”

    This competitiveness is exactly the thing that clothing usually helps to cover up.

    “Someone who is accustomed to feeling socially high-ranking because of their job or their money can have their self-image turned upside down when naked on the beach,” Stoff explained. “Suddenly they might feel inferior to a young proletarian who spends a lot of time doing physical labour.”

    What’s Germany’s history with nudism?

    Historically, Germany has been regarded as a cradle of naturist culture. “Up until the founding of the first FKK club at the end of the 19th century in the German Empire, most of Europe had pretty much the same relationship with nakedness,” said Stoff.

    “But the then-burgeoning naturism movement in Germany had a clear message. It was all about working systematically with the body in line with the classical Greek model, trying to translate those ideal marble bodies into a corporeal reality.

    It was a hugely flawed movement whose message was easily exploited. There was a sense within the movement that only beautiful, healthy bodies should procreate. According to Stoff, this “tapped into the zeitgeist of eugenics, nationalism and so-called ‘racial hygiene’.”

    And there were foul consequences: parts of the ‘Lebensreformbewegung’, or ‘life reform movement’, gave rise to a fatal antisemitism. According to Stoff, some proponents of the movement taught people how to recognise Jewish people through their circumcised penises.

    In the 1920s, a more socialist perception of nudism arose alongside the nationalist. “It was thought that the oppressed proletarian body would become aware of its enslavement in its own nakedness,” said Stoff.

    “People wanted to set aside the old moral codes of the German Empire and embrace a joy in life.” In the same decade, magazines about nudist culture sold like hotcakes in kiosks. They weren’t explicitly pornographic, Stoff clarifies, but often occupied ‘grey areas’ in terms of legality. Most importantly, the body was now pictured romping around frivolously on the beach, far from its previous statuesque ideal.

    During the years of Nazism, people were far less prudish than we tend to assume. Hans Surén’s FKK book ‘Man and Sunlight’, which teems with naked figures, was a bestseller. After 1945, fans of the nudist movement were given their own designated beaches in many places in both the West and East. From the 1960s into the 1970s, naked bathing was a trend – women were expected to be at least to be topless, a huge difference to today’s ideas.

    With this history in mind, it’s easy to see how people are assuming that Germany is undergoing a progressive ‘re-prudeification’. But Stoff doubles down on his view that unrealistic body standards are the main culprit in this cultural shift. He said: “The reality of their own bodies makes people feel anxious, so they choose to reject that reality. I see that as a more decisive cause of discomfort than the idea that Germans are somehow becoming more prudish, or that religious views are being rekindled.”

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    Nudist at Irish beach 'refuses to put clothes on' forcing lifeguard to call gardaí


    A NUDE beach-goer got into a stubborn standoff with a lifeguard at one of Ireland's top-rated holiday spots earlier in the year.


    A woman in her 20s refused to put clothes on while paddle-boarding and sunbathing at Keem Beach on Achill Island off the coast of Co. Mayo back in July, eventually forcing a lifeguard to call the guards.


    Records released under the Freedom Of Information (FOI) act note that the woman was naked for hours, and sparked a number of complaints from fellow sun-seekers who were at the beach with their young children.


    A lifeguard on patrol said he first spotted the nudist while she was paddle-boarding in the shallows with two men and a dog. "I blew my whistle [to get] their attention and asked the group to come into shore," the lifeguard said. "[But] the man who wasn't on the board then pushed them out to sea and came in to speak to me. I made him aware that it wasn't a nudist beach and explained that we'd got a complaint from a lady who was concerned about her kids."






    Keem Bay on Mayo's Achill Island, Co Mayo Ireland,


    The man agreed to pass on the message to the naked woman, but after she failed to come back to shore, more complaints were made, prompting one of the lifeguards to approach the nudist directly. "I explained that it was illegal and that we’d now had several complaints. She reluctantly agreed and went back up to her towel and bags, where she made no effort to cover up or clothe herself. "She remained on the beach, where she sunbathed for approximately an hour, still naked, and got back into the water on the stand-up paddle-board alone."


    The lifeguards ended up having to call gardaí, who arrived at the beach an hour-and-a-half later and finally managed to ensure the woman covered herself.




    Nudist at Irish beach 'refuses to put clothes on' forcing lifeguard to call gardaí 22 X 2021.

    Climate has a lot to do with attitude to nudity. In warm climates bedclothes, sheets and covering are not needed in summer.

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