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    SNPA-Definitions are not accurate anyway.

    But that many North-Atlantids have Brünn Features, even just small ones has always been like that. Because Brünnish Features are very common in the whole UK.

    You can compare it with Alpinids Features being very common in whole France. Even most "Atlanto-Meds" mentioned in Books have Alpinid Features.


    Many Racial Features are simply included in the Majority of Racial Types of a specific Area.




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    So where is the evidence that countries like England or Sweden are predominantly UP? I live in England and i visit Sweden regularly, and Nordics are a more common sight in both countries than Borrebies or Brunns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn View Post
    So where is the evidence that countries like England or Sweden are predominantly UP? I live in England and i visit Sweden regularly, and Nordics are a more common sight in both countries than Borrebies or Brunns.
    You would dispute this, but you're probably mistaking UPs and UP-Nordic mixes for Nordics. Some people on anthro boards even count Troenders as "Nordids" in a general sense of the word.

    If you think Ulrika Jonsson is Nordic, then to you, Sweden & England (more in a KN direction) will have Nordics as a common sight. She is likely pred. UP but suspect of Nordic admix.



    Again, Winberg is supposedly Troender but her robust features and large mouth/lower face make Nordic unlikely. She's a tall UP type with yellow hair, I guess that's "Nordid" for some people...



    I wrote a post on Stirpes on the supposed prevalence of Nordics and why people wish to fool themselves about this, I'll elaborate and post a thread in a couple of weeks.

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    Ulrikka Jonsson is Nordic. Of course just because you say she is UP then she must be though, right?

    Whatever. I asked for evidence. Simply saying that everyone who disagrees with you doesn't know what they're talking about doesn't constitute evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn View Post
    Ulrikka Jonsson is Nordic. Of course just because you say she is UP then she must be though, right?
    Ulrika Jonsson is UP. Of course just because you say she is Nordic then she must be though, right?

    Whatever. I asked for evidence. Simply saying that everyone who disagrees with you doesn't know what they're talking about doesn't constitute evidence.
    OK. This thread is really for discussing the North-Atlantid fallacy... Dementieva likely has minor East Baltic, but will serve for a quick comparison.



    Ulrika's forehead is heavier than Elena's, her face is broader, her nose plumper while Elena's nose is more defined and projects more from the face, Elena's mid-face is longer, Ulrika's large mouth and wide gonials look totally UP whereas Elena's lower face is finer and more angular.





    OK back to North-Atlantids please, we can discuss Nordics very soon.

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    ^ One needs to take into account natural variation within sub-types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Ulrika Jonsson is UP. Of course just because you say she is Nordic then she must be though, right?
    The difference is i'm using the accepted definitions of the words and the types in question. You are simply rewriting the entire racial history of Europe, but providing no evidence to support your claims, and being frankly condescending to everyone who dares to disagree with your unsupported opinions.

    OK. This thread is really for discussing the North-Atlantid fallacy...
    On the subject of which, your main objection to the existence of the NA type seems to be that all of the examples given were too heavy featured. Neither Pierce Brosnan, Ulrika Jonsson, or Hugh Laurie (who you mentioned in another thread) are heavy featured.

    Can you even give an example of a person who isn't too heavy featured, by your definition, to be considered pure Atlantid or Nordic?
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    These anthropological debates can be like entertainment at times. Back on topic, I have something to add even though I only posses mediocre knowledge about European physical anthropology. I suspect that much of this can be just a case of misclassification. I think that darker-haired Nordic types are often incorrectly classified as being partly "Atlanto-med" but dark hair is not unique to any group and it exists everywhere. I was classified as North-Atlantid by some fellow members, the lighting in the pictures may had been misleading but Southern- and Northern leptosomic Europeans can essentially look the same(metrically) if you exclude pigmentation. An Atlanto-Mediterranean element does exist in NW-Europe but I doubt it's responsible for all dark colouration of hair and hollow Mediterranean-like facial features.

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    There is no such thing as a Nordic anyway (as a genetically seperate entity). They're just a bit gracilized UPs, really.

    Genetic studies have pretty much shown this to be so, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    There is no such thing as a Nordic anyway (as a genetically seperate entity). They're just a bit gracilized UPs, really.

    Genetic studies have pretty much shown this to be so, I believe.
    If you count gracialized UPs as Nordics then that's what they are going to be, good luck explaining how this is a gracialized UP though



    It only makes sense that genetics believe Northern Europe to be derived from Upper Paleolithics because in fact it is. Nordics are a small minority in Northern Europe, this is what we have been saying all along.

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