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    The Materialistic and Animalistic Simplicity of Modern Man

    Something I wrote yesterday morning at around 0630-0700 after no sleep.

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    Easily noticeable to anyone of noble spirit is the simplistic and seemingly purposeless motives and "ideals" of modern man.

    Most notable are notions of material wealth signifying success and wisdom, literacy as intelligence, false idols and vulgar dogmatic gestures as a sign of faith, spirituality and enlightenment as well as reproduction as a sign of virility and the ultimate goal of existence in itself.

    Modern man has undermined his purpose so much and alienated himself from the spiritual realms so much these days that he is nothing more than a shell, a spiritless form in the shape of a human. Serving no other purpose than to breed and recreate the same tedious cycle.

    Due to the focus on material consumption and the obsessive elevation of sex to an almost grail like level (which I do not use lightly, sex being viewed as the ultimate quest today, particularly among the younger generations) humans have become nothing more than mindless drones, breeding stations to mediocrity. Continually they perpetuate their seed, serving no purpose other than shallow fulfilment towards a non-existent legacy. I do not undermine the wholesomeness of parenthood, however when one dedicated themselves to no other purpose than begetting children they become nothing more than breeders, no longer is the distinction beyond the most simple of animals and humans broad, in fact the only real separation is physical.

    Indeed, there is very little evidence of late in regards to anything even vaguely resembling human spirituality. What is deemed spiritual is completely material; no higher purpose is served other than to recreate past failures and triumphs, oblivious to the times we face. No attention is given to the principles, no true belief or understanding is given to the entities and what they represent. People are merely interested in the materialistic aspects; the glamorous, the differentiating, and the seemingly "cultural" urge to return to roots they are so heavily removed from, a bi-product of their environment and their own naivety.

    Modern society has no spirit, no identity. It serves no higher purpose other than its own decline, a constant droning line towards self-destruction. It follows an animalistic urge to eat, sleep, and breed. It does not think beyond these roles because it does not need to, it can not think, modern man is merely a mindless sheep.

    It can be obviously pointed out within the "political" realms as well, where mere promises of furthering the masses incessant hungers for more and more frivolous wealth is deemed of the highest virtue. Within democracy, a baseless and vague "ideal" devoid of any form of ascendance and order nothing holds quite as much sway as the economy and the notion of "the people". Whether through tax cuts or mere vulgar protest, democracy keeps up the pretence of the "will of the people" fighting "for the good of the people" something that does not exist and never will. A democratic society merely coddles the masses as a mother does her infant. They suckle from her breast and are completely reliant, completely oblivious to anything other than their simplistic and dependent role. With this worship of their own greed they have inverted the term "not all that glitters is gold" it has lost all validity, and been nullified. For today, what glitters is of the utmost desire; tasteless trinkets rule their actions and instincts. What is noble and honourable is worthless to them; transcendence cannot be bought or sold so is valueless to these people. They have fallen in love with tacky gestures, meaningless and shallow, never living outside of their own lives and avoiding their inevitable departure of this realm as if they have some control in prolonging their worthlessness. That what is viewed as progress brings only regression, what brings prosperity brings only ruin.

    In this era the stomach truly holds dominion over the mind, like a submissive animal dictated to by his insatiable hunger and his thirst for his own destruction, his attempts to quell these realties by perpetuating his seed to continue the same cycle; feed, sleep, die over and over again in one continuous and tedious routine, no better than a common farm animal. No better than a dog, nothing more than a vulture, clawing at the offal at this so called society. Feeding from the scraps, feeding the hunger they are incapable of ever fulfilling.

    We must remain above them and their simple ensnarement, for we are higher people and they know this, this is why they hate and fear us with every bone in their body. They do not know how to be as we are, they were never taught, they know nothing other than they are told and are incapable to ever truly know this reality. They are obedient and servile to their minute material gains. We stand knightly among rats within this pit of serpents. When death comes and they are swallowed within the void they worship, and they are devoid of any comfort within the emptiness they have gladly and naively inhabited. And they hunger and claw at the scraps of their pasts, and continue on completely devoid of substance, then they will finally know what true wealth is.
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    An acquaintance of mine pointed out some issues with what I wrote (understandable considering when it was written). So I'd just like to verify some things.

    I believe within the "right" there are certain people who believe that merely breeding in an already overpopulated world is the answer to our problems (which I disagree with, the more populated the generally lower the level of individuals quality over quantity etc.) I think this is extremely naive that by merely growing in ranks we will suddenly be in a better state, I think it will in fact be quite the opposite if rapid breeding among people of poor quality will be very harmful and cause a major burden.

    Of course I am also aware of the opposite, the people who sacrifice parenthood for careers so they can hoard their wealth and live a materialistic and hedonistic life. The people who can not afford to have children or should not are having them today and those who would generally be capable are so selfish that they dispose of their unborn children without a second thought.

    To perpetuate ones line is fine and can generally be very noble, and if you notice I did mention the sanctity of parenthood, children are significant and I support people having children. However to breed merely for the sake of breeding with little purpose is in my opinion very animalistic, regardless of how natural it is.

    I wrote that after noticing a growing trend among youth. Whilst browsing the net for certain research I noticed that every second female my age was either pregnant or had children, none of which the father was with. In my opinion this is a great loss and cause of angst for the children, to be raised by trashy individuals without a father is not going to have a healthy impact on anyone's life and in doing so their children will probably be the same which as I said is a product of the elevation of sex and the hedonistic and animalistic impulses of modern man (youth particularly.)

    If anyone would like to discuss this or has anything to add, please do.
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    No, I think you hit the nail on the head, which aligns with the fact that we're in the last phases of the Kali-Yuga, a period in which they say family in the traditional sense is no longer. Everyone is motivated by their lower passions rather than by love, which includes the entire outlook of warriors and businessmen as well. As a consequence, we no longer have any defenders of the traditional way which would be as an obstacle against modernity. Note also that to really participate in a tradition is to comprehend its doctrine, something which many "traditionalists" overlook. But I do wonder if we can do more than simply wait for the "Kalki-avatara." It seems our warnings and calls for a tradition of our own fall on def ears within the present racial nationalist crowd. They won't even take time to read the books that we suggest; so how could they construct any civilization based on stable principles of which they haven't the foggiest notion? It's disheartening to say the least.
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    I think to understand where we are today we have to look harder and dig deeper into the path that led us here. And we would have to leave sentiment behind and be brutally honest about it.

    It is a wide spread belief in the west today that human nature , for the most part , is based solely on self interest/personal gain. It is the classic Statist apology theory. ( you are all so bad that there can only be order in subjection to the State/ruling elites ) Capitalists justify exploitation with it too
    It is this , in my opinion , that has played a significant role in the dispirited , crassness of much of modern living and the people alive today. I agree with Bakunins observation about the human " instinct for freedom" and think it is the danger of that instinct that has led to measures , taken by ruling elites and their eggheads , to reduce us all to this docile manageable mass of apes.
    It would be foolish to imply that self interest isn't a major part of human nature but likewise it would be foolish to assume that it is the only part of human nature .
    We are social animals living in a world governed by the promoters of selfish individualism. Constant and direct competition with eachother all day everyday.
    We didn't make it past the neanderthals , Sabre Tooth Tiger by employing selfish individualism. We have a very much longer history of mutual aid , solidarity , community , etc. and I think much of what we lack as people today is the result of repression of those elements , so essential to human wellbeing , imo , but so dangerous to our self elected governors or masters.( exploiters)

    People who are interested in the shaping of modern western society might find this series of documentaries on the subject of population and power relations of some interest

    http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beornulf View Post
    Whilst browsing the net for certain research I noticed that every second female my age was either pregnant or had children, none of which the father was with.
    Locally? Because globally this certainly isn't the case. Actually I don't even think it is true locally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon View Post
    Locally? Because globally this certainly isn't the case. Actually I don't even think it is true locally.
    Perhaps not where you are but I can certainly assure you this is a growing trend in my country along with many others.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonofburi View Post
    No, I think you hit the nail on the head, which aligns with the fact that we're in the last phases of the Kali-Yuga, a period in which they say family in the traditional sense is no longer. Everyone is motivated by their lower passions rather than by love, which includes the entire outlook of warriors and businessmen as well. As a consequence, we no longer have any defenders of the traditional way which would be as an obstacle against modernity. Note also that to really participate in a tradition is to comprehend its doctrine, something which many "traditionalists" overlook. But I do wonder if we can do more than simply wait for the "Kalki-avatara." It seems our warnings and calls for a tradition of our own fall on def ears within the present racial nationalist crowd. They won't even take time to read the books that we suggest; so how could they construct any civilization based on stable principles of which they haven't the foggiest notion? It's disheartening to say the least.
    Indeed, you raise valid points. Tradition has been so heavily inverted within modern society and pushed the point where it accepted as the norm.

    This is obvious when you look at the construction of the family today, the relationship between the sexes, the way children are seen and relationships between people in general.

    In regards giving warnings, I think while being generally fruitless it is still a necessity. In regards to waiting for the "Kalki-avatara." we can do more than wait, we can prepare, and we can also act through it and it through us. We can become the physical representation of the spiritual, it may be up to us to wash the filth and degeneracy from the world; we may be the tools for the great cleansings written throughout all the great traditions.

    Most of the people you mention will not read or comprehend what is said or written because they are unable to. If that is the case they are undeserving to know, and serve little purpose other than being “cannon-fodder”.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I think to understand where we are today we have to look harder and dig deeper into the path that led us here. And we would have to leave sentiment behind and be brutally honest about it.
    Certainly, judging the issues of degeneration only by their exoteric/physical nature would be fruitless.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It is a wide spread belief in the west today that human nature , for the most part , is based solely on self interest/personal gain. It is the classic Statist apology theory. ( you are all so bad that there can only be order in subjection to the State/ruling elites ) Capitalists justify exploitation with it too
    You cover a good point here, human existence isn't and should never be solely dedicated to mere consumption and self-interest. However, with your further statement I must ask you to elaborate. I think there is a difference between serving the State, who should be ruled by (true) elites aiming towards a higher goal and serving as nothing more than drones to a Capitalist government whose only concerns are economic.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It is this , in my opinion , that has played a significant role in the dispirited , crassness of much of modern living and the people alive today. I agree with Bakunins observation about the human " instinct for freedom" and think it is the danger of that instinct that has led to measures , taken by ruling elites and their eggheads , to reduce us all to this docile manageable mass of apes.
    I agree mostly with this, this can also be said in relation to Socialism however. The following quote covers this well I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julius Evola
    We should recall here that the term proletarian comes from the Latin proles and suggests the idea of an animalistic fertility. As Meroshkovski rightly noted, this term was applied especially to those whose only creative skill consisted of begetting children - these were men in body but eunuchs in spirit. In its logical development, this trend leads towards that “ideal” society in which there are no more classes, no men or women, but instead comrades, or asexual cells belonging to the same immense anthill.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    It would be foolish to imply that self interest isn't a major part of human nature but likewise it would be foolish to assume that it is the only part of human nature.
    We are social animals living in a world governed by the promoters of selfish individualism. Constant and direct competition with eachother all day everyday.
    Explain human nature first off. Humans are for the most part very simple creatures with very simple impulses and instincts, the ability to build houses and read and write should not fool us into thinking otherwise. We have to overcome our lower impulses if we are to advance ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    We didn't make it past the neanderthals , Sabre Tooth Tiger by employing selfish individualism. We have a very much longer history of mutual aid , solidarity , community , etc. and I think much of what we lack as people today is the result of repression of those elements , so essential to human wellbeing , imo , but so dangerous to our self elected governors or masters.( exploiters)
    I think the main factor for human advancement(?) in the past were the aims towards higher goals built from strong principles. The hierarchy was ascendant completely and required co-operation as well as the understanding of ones role. I agree that whatever we had back then we have lost, for the most part. It is not however impossible to return to it however.
    "For the authentic revolutionary conservative, what really counts is to be faithful not to past forms and institutions, but rather to principles of which such forms and institutions have been particular expressions, adequate for a specific period of time and in a specific geographical area." Julius Evola - Men Among the Ruins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beornulf View Post
    You cover a good point here, human existence isn't and should never be solely dedicated to mere consumption and self-interest. However, with your further statement I must ask you to elaborate. I think there is a difference between serving the State, who should be ruled by (true) elites aiming towards a higher goal and serving as nothing more than drones to a Capitalist government whose only concerns are economic.
    I don't believe we should serve the State I think the State should serve the people that make it up and preferable in as minimal a form as can be perfected.
    I am very much more a fan of more localized forms of socio-economic organization/government/Control.
    The trouble with elites is when the interests of the elites clash with what is best for the people they are supposed to represent.
    If we take the Bolshevik elite that hijacked the events of 1917 we can see how the suppression of a genuine desire for self rule was converted into State Capitalism.
    Same with the Third Reich , all the good work done to improve the social/living standards of the German people in the 1930's was thrown away by the later agenda of the ruling elite. An agenda that led to the destruction of not only their own nation but many of the other nations around them and the handing over of world power to the ruling elite of the US.
    The ruling elites of the western world of today are largely in the pockets of Corporations who have an agenda that is at total loggerheads to most people of the world best interests.



    I agree mostly with this, this can also be said in relation to Socialism however. The following quote covers this well I believe.
    Well Evola has his view of what constituted the proletariat but I don't think that many socialists really see it the same. Both Marx and Bakunin ( and indeed Adam Smith although the revolutionary nature of this line of thought was maybe too much for a Liberal to forge on with ) recognized how the alienation of labour/wage slavery made beasts out of men not that they were inheritantly stupid or animal like.
    In Georgian Britain the aristocracy of the day actually believed that there was a criminal subspecies that could only rear criminally inclined children.

    Explain human nature first off. Humans are for the most part very simple creatures with very simple impulses and instincts, the ability to build houses and read and write should not fool us into thinking otherwise. We have to overcome our lower impulses if we are to advance ourselves.
    Lol , if I could explain human nature I wouldn't be a wage slave working in a factory
    I just think there are two very contrasting and distinct traits observable in human interactions. One is egotistical and selfish and the other is social and altuistic. If we have lost something in the modern western society I think it is the latter , not surprisingly since the promotion of selfish individualism is its antidote.


    I think the main factor for human advancement(?) in the past were the aims towards higher goals built from strong principles. The hierarchy was ascendant completely and required co-operation as well as the understanding of ones role. I agree that whatever we had back then we have lost, for the most part. It is not however impossible to return to it however.
    I fully understand your use of the question mark slotted in after the word advancement , it depends on what criteria you are judging any proclaimed advancements made.
    In the west particularly, advancement tends to be seen in terms of Technology, GDP, material possessions, etc not in terms of a genuine human advancement of its individual members.
    In short we seem to be social creatures caught up ( or trapped ) in a very antisocial socio-economic system that can never really address our social needs. Hence the appalling depression level statistics we see prevalent in Western society. ( for all its advancements )
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I don't believe we should serve the State I think the State should serve the people that make it up and preferable in as minimal a form as can be perfected.
    I think it depends on how you view "serving". I think the best thing a leader can offer to the subjects is leadership, it seems that Socialism and Democracy invert these principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    If we take the Bolshevik elite that hijacked the events of 1917 we can see how the suppression of a genuine desire for self rule was converted into State Capitalism.
    Indeed, the "Russian Revolution" involved few Russians and represented Russian needs even less.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    Same with the Third Reich , all the good work done to improve the social/living standards of the German people in the 1930's was thrown away by the later agenda of the ruling elite. An agenda that led to the destruction of not only their own nation but many of the other nations around them and the handing over of world power to the ruling elite of the US.
    The ruling elites of the western world of today are largely in the pockets of Corporations who have an agenda that is at total loggerheads to most people of the world best interests.
    I certainly agree with that but there were also certain agendas which would have contributed to the destruction of anything deemed NS after the war, especially since after the war the destruction and destabilisation of Germany became a key initiative of those "special interest groups".

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    Well Evola has his view of what constituted the proletariat but I don't think that many socialists really see it the same. Both Marx and Bakunin ( and indeed Adam Smith although the revolutionary nature of this line of thought was maybe too much for a Liberal to forge on with ) recognized how the alienation of labour/wage slavery made beasts out of men not that they were inheritantly stupid or animal like.
    Evola also offers some interesting ideas of the slavery of modern man to economics. I just think he does it in a more fitting way by not elevating the worker to a divine level.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I just think there are two very contrasting and distinct traits observable in human interactions. One is egotistical and selfish and the other is social and altuistic. If we have lost something in the modern western society I think it is the latter , not surprisingly since the promotion of selfish individualism is its antidote.
    I can agree with this to a degree. I think it has a lot more to do with the inversion of hierarchy. People no longer know their role and generally they're put in a negative light i.e. honest working, motherhood to the point where they feel revolted and dissatisfied with the role they should be fulfilling happily.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I fully understand your use of the question mark slotted in after the word advancement , it depends on what criteria you are judging any proclaimed advancements made.
    In the west particularly, advancement tends to be seen in terms of Technology, GDP, material possessions, etc not in terms of a genuine human advancement of its individual members.
    I can certainly agree with this. Material is now the higher principle that people work towards, mass impulsive consumption is unhealthy for both humans, nature and for the economy in the long run.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    In short we seem to be social creatures caught up ( or trapped ) in a very antisocial socio-economic system that can never really address our social needs. Hence the appalling depression level statistics we see prevalent in Western society. ( for all its advancements )
    I don't think Socialism is a viable option for retaliation against this however.
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