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    Fat Acceptance Movement

    The fat acceptance movement, also the fat liberation movement, is a grassroots effort to change societal attitudes towards individuals who are fat. The movement consists today of a diverse group of people, who have different beliefs about how best to address the perceived widespread prejudice and discrimination against fat people in contemporary Western societies.

    Generally dated to the 1970s, the 1980s and 1990s witnessed the increase in activist organizations, publications, and conferences. However, the contemporary movement sees negative societal attitudes as remaining, based upon the idea that fat people pursue affirmative, voluntary practices to maintain their body size and that these practices reflect negative character traits.
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    Do you think it's alright to discriminate against fat folks? I'd say it is. This fat acceptance movement is as ridiculous as gay rights or illegal aliens rights. Folks should be able to discriminate against anyone they want.

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    There's of course free speech but discriminating somebody because of his or her look is really low in my opinion. We should also remember that being fat does not necessarily mean eating too much. I became fat due to a cortisone therapy and I've been losing my weight again gradually since finishing it. There are many illnesses and conditions that can cause overweight. I'm also not sure what they mean with that movement. Do they want to stop discrimation against people who are fat or do they want fatness accepted as a "lifestyle"? If the latter one is true I think one should also define being. Having a little overweight was shown to be the healthiest condition but obesity is a disease with a lot of negative consequences for the individual and the taxpayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    There's of course free speech but discriminating somebody because of his or her look is really low in my opinion.
    Then we are all low cause we discriminate according to looks at least once in our lives. We wouldn't date hideous, deformed looking folks, we discrminiate against Negroes and Mexicans cause they look different from us.

    We should also remember that being fat does not necessarily mean eating too much.
    Yep, that's correct.

    I became fat due to a cortisone therapy and I've been losing my weight again gradually since finishing it. There are many illnesses and conditions that can cause overweight. I'm also not sure what they mean with that movement. Do they want to stop discrimation against people who are fat or do they want fatness accepted as a "lifestyle"? If the latter one is true I think one should also define being. Having a little overweight was shown to be the healthiest condition but obesity is a disease with a lot of negative consequences for the individual and the taxpayer.
    Yep, there are many illnesses that can cause overweight. It's not all folks fault they're fat. Some can lose weight, like you say you've been doing. Some can't. Put it this way, it's also not the Negroes' fault they're black. Yet white racialists avoid them when it comes to dating, being friends with, hanging out, and so on. So, if we're gonna avoid black folks cause they look different from us, different facial features, different skin color, why shouldn't we be allowed to do it to fat folks too?

    This what they say in the same Wikipedia entry:

    The movement also argues that people of all shapes and sizes should accept themselves as they are, at any size. Thus, it promotes "health at every size," which aims to place one's mental and physical health before physical appearance and size.

    I'd say this is wrong too. Obesity is dangerous to health. Any size is not ok. Not according to this table of BMI and risk it can present to health:



    Fat rights movement, like any other rights movement just tries to force fat down our throats, in our lives, everywhere. That's the problem I've got with all these rights, anti-discrimination, politically correct movements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    we discrminiate against Negroes and Mexicans cause they look different from us.
    Speak for yourself.
    A* I’m a dreadful reactionary, Mrs. Helena. I don’t like this progress one bit.
    H* Like Nana.
    A* Yes, like Nana. Does Nana have a prayer book?
    H* A big fat one.
    A* And are there prayers in it for various occurrences in life? Against storms? Against illness?
    H* Against temptation, against floods -
    A* But not against progress, I suppose?
    H* > I think not.
    A* That’s a shame.

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    Anyway, I am fat and you better accept my gut, otherwise I will send the Fat Liberation Movement after you. They're militant and will suffocate you with the creampies they hurl.
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    Before I can answer this, there are two things we need to consider
    a) definition of being fat
    b) the cause of being fat

    a) fat is everyone who firstly exceeds a standardized abdominal girth (in relation to height of course), because we know that the abdominal girth is in direct correlation to overweight induced illnessess.
    And secondly who is not able to perform standardized movements/activities (e.g. run 6miles in 1hour, of course depending on sex, age etc.)
    These are the only objective criterias we should apply when discriminating against fat people.

    Those who fall under the category of fat are not completely lost though (mostly), so we need to look out for the cause of the fatness, so
    b) must be an evaluation of why someone is fat (genetics, illnesses, social problems, etc.) and then try to work against this accordingly.

    Other than that, I don't mind if someone has little fat paddies on the hips, or whatever, and there is no reason to discriminate against those people because they can serve the group just as well as thin people.

    And as a side note, some similar considerations need to be taken into account when speaking about overly thin people, the goal is a healthy society.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophia View Post
    Speak for yourself.
    You don't? You treat them the same as an English man?
    Discrimination has become a fight word of egalitarianism anyway, it's supposed to give the word "differentiation" a purely negative meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Then we are all low cause we discriminate according to looks at least once in our lives. We wouldn't date hideous, deformed looking folks, we discrminiate against Negroes and Mexicans cause they look different from us.


    Yep, that's correct.


    Yep, there are many illnesses that can cause overweight. It's not all folks fault they're fat. Some can lose weight, like you say you've been doing. Some can't. Put it this way, it's also not the Negroes' fault they're black. Yet white racialists avoid them when it comes to dating, being friends with, hanging out, and so on. So, if we're gonna avoid black folks cause they look different from us, different facial features, different skin color, why shouldn't we be allowed to do it to fat folks too?

    This what they say in the same Wikipedia entry:

    The movement also argues that people of all shapes and sizes should accept themselves as they are, at any size. Thus, it promotes "health at every size," which aims to place one's mental and physical health before physical appearance and size.

    I'd say this is wrong too. Obesity is dangerous to health. Any size is not ok. Not according to this table of BMI and risk it can present to health:



    Fat rights movement, like any other rights movement just tries to force fat down our throats, in our lives, everywhere. That's the problem I've got with all these rights, anti-discrimination, politically correct movements
    I don't discriminate against anybody.

    Uhm, I doubt any sane minded racialists dislikes foreigners because of their look but rather because of the cultural and biological differences their immigration causes.

    Conclusion: you're shallow.
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    I think that this is really sad. A while back I was doing a paper on body image, this is one of the little discoveries I made. I had previously known about "Rexies" (proud Anorexics), but It baffled me to see 600lb women defining themselves as "healthy" and trying to argue with doctors that they didn't need to lose any body fat.

    I don't think it is correct to say that all people with overweight are unhealthy, as I know that is not the truth, but I will never believe that a 600lb human is healthy, no matter what their weight is composed of.

    I, personally, don't consider someone "fat" if they have some excess fat on them. I think that people should be comfortable with their size and shape so long as they are healthy. If other people are going to make fun of people for having "poochy" stomachs, that's fine. But then there also has to be the right for people to make fun of girls who look like a side of ribs. Even though, I think either exchange is pretty lame.

    I usually don't make fun of people for their size, as I find anorexia and obesity to be more upsetting than humorous, although people treating them as things to be proud of often comes across as laughable to me. Just the same as I would feel a sort of confused humor about a group of people who were proud to have cancerous tumors, and can't help, but laugh at the kids at my school who brag about pseudo-diagnosis of their mental/emotional disorders.

    I will laugh at people who don't wear the right sized clothing sometimes, though, or in some other way refuse to see themselves as they are. I remember on one of the Springer-like shows, they used to always bring in these severely overweight women who wore clothing several sizes too small for them. They were uncomfortable with their weight, so they simply chose to see themselves as smaller than they were. I don't think acceptance of obesity should be promoted, either, though. Overweight is now covered by most insurances. If one does not make concious efforts to get out of the obese category, I don't think that they can be considered in any way healthy.

    While not all people who are overweight consume too much or exercise too little, those who make no difference in their weight usually have no respect for themselves. Obesity is one of the least healthy conditions on the planet, even if an obese person eats healthily he is more at risk for many worse and potentially fatal conditions.

    I have seen really dramatic weightloss from people who had weight problems their entire lives or underwent procedures or developed conditions that caused them to gain lots of weight. The difference between the people I know who lost half of their body weight and the people who are still tens, twenties, fifties, hundreds of pounds overweight is more often than not a sense of motivation rooted out of self-respect. If you respect yourself, you probably want to live a long and fulfilling life.

    I can understand the feelings obese people have about their weight, but settling into it isn't really going to make them any happier in the long-run.


    Personally, I respect myself enough to do my best to avoid: diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol problems, eye strain, poor circulation, premature wearing-down of joints, generally lower physical performance, loss of flexibility, general lessening of lifespan, so on. That's why I try to keep fit. Just the same, I'm not interested in the negative consequences of anorexia or bulemia, so I don't try to convince myself that those lifestyles are OK, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    I don't discriminate against anybody.

    Uhm, I doubt any sane minded racialists dislikes foreigners because of their look but rather because of the cultural and biological differences their immigration causes.

    Conclusion: you're shallow.
    Yep, I'm shallow when it comes to appearance. I discriminate based on looks.

    Biological differences manifest in their looks. How can folks tell the difference between a black man and a white man? Their race, which can be told by facial features and skin color, of course. Sure cultural differences too, but that's not the first thing most folks notice when they see a Negro on the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Yep, I'm shallow when it comes to appearance. I discriminate based on looks.

    Biological differences manifest in their looks. How can folks tell the difference between a black man and a white man? Their race, which can be told by facial features and skin color, of course. Sure cultural differences too, but that's not the first thing most folks notice when they see a Negro on the street.
    Can you be shallow in another regard,too? Atleast you don't deny being superficial and honesty is also a quality.

    They do not only manifest in their look but also in their mind. I don't have a problem with the look of people. If the negro only looked like different without any other differences I would not have a big issue with that.
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