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Thread: Do You Believe in Global Warming?

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    Perhaps human-generated global warming will turn out to be a good thing in that it may prevent a new ice age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    Hydrocarbon and nuclear technology are very efficient and economically feasible means of energy. Also, it would be nice of you to change your manner of writing. People might be more willing to answer your questions were it not for your attitude and sarcasm.
    Two things about the technology:

    Hydrocarbon fuel will become expensive and scarce as resources run out. And it isn't efficient to make corn-ethanol, it requires a lot more work than cheaper sugar-ethanol, plus with a rising population, this will be needed to feed people instead.

    Nuclear technology is a double edged sword. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem if it weren't for the toxic waste produced. However, it is interesting to see cases such a Chernobyl when there are people living in toxic areas (The Zone of Exclusion) and doing "alright". However, I think that it is too risky a technology to trust with us humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    Perhaps human-generated global warming will turn out to be a good thing in that it may prevent a new ice age.
    No.


    The problem with global warming advocates and those opposing is that they do not know, or they ignore the history of the Earth's climate. I've talked about this before. The Earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling. At this point we are at one of the coldest phases of Earth climate history. Why is this?

    I feel that there is a human impact, however, I feel such a change would have been inevitable without us but much more slowly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
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    Sure, we might have some influence, but that is minimal compared to the larger forces at play, as I explained in the link provided in my original post.
    right, and i read the link you provided. it was a statement of opinion, which contradicts the facts and included to graphics of unknown origin.

    So, what impact we have is relatively insignificant. I'm not saying it is non-existent.
    1/6-1/5 of backgroud is "relatively significant" in most cases.

    There are some articles linked here where scientists voice their opinions against global warming: http://www.iceagenow.com/Climatologists_Who_Disagree.htm
    If I find something else, I'll be happy to post it.
    right...so no academic article...well, i'll be happy(-er...i'm already pretty happy) if or when you post it too.

    Hydrocarbon and nuclear technology are very efficient and economically feasible means of energy.
    see, when someone tell me i use to much energy (and i am fairly convinced they are right to do so), my first thought is "how do i use less?" not "how do i modify my use so it's easier to justify?"

    incidently i think nuclear is a good option. hydrocarbons are too energy intensive in production though (imo).

    Also, it would be nice of you to change your manner of writing. People might be more willing to answer your questions were it not for your attitude and sarcasm.
    i might have less of an attitude and employ sacrasm less frequently if:
    1. you did not insult me (and others) for my opinions, which, i might add, are by no means ridiculous.
    2. did not make poorly supported generalization while condemning something that you claim is poorly supported.
    3. you did not have a holier than thou attitude - "any reasonable scientist"...from what you've written on this topic i somehow doubt you're much of a "reasonable scientist" yourself

    but sure, i'll keep your preferred writing style in mind

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    On nuclear waste, there's this.

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    Here's a scientific article which dispels most of the myths surrounding the global warming debate:

    http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/a...2006forWeb.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Here's a scientific article which dispels most of the myths surrounding the global warming debate:

    http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/a...2006forWeb.pdf
    that's not peer-reviewed, but heck, that's fine, but it does not ever list the credentials of the authors, and does not reference any scientific literature. it has the calgary herald as a reference for pete's sake! a paper is only as good as it's worst reference

    for an example of a scientific paper (not peer reviewed) see: http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm

    peer reviewed (not sure if you have a subscription, but an abstract is visible): http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06025.html

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    A whole bunch more links here:

    http://www.globalwarmingisafarce.com/
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    Global warming is probably a natural phenomenon. But I think the cleaner we keep our environment the better. There is no such thing as too much clean air and pure water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanseMacabre View Post
    Global warming is probably a natural phenomenon. But I think the cleaner we keep our environment the better. There is no such thing as too much clean air and pure water.
    Well sure, but you have to balance things out. Some things like not littering and recycling glass, plastic&aluminum and using public transport or carpooling when available are easy choices to make, in that for a minimal effort a lot benefit for the environment is gained. However, we should not let ourselves be goaded into making drastic changes to our lifestyle in order to achieve minimal environmental benefits. There may be "no such thing as too much clean air and pure water" but there is a point at which efforts to achieve it become too costly on our society to be worth doing.
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    This is a good diagram in flashvideo format depicts the climate change after the dinosaurs... click each thumbnail for detailed information about the climate during each geological era. The vegetation button is especially good to view the geological impact of the ever-changing climate.

    http://www.abc.net.au/beasts/changing/default.htm

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