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    Do You Believe In The Concept of Sin?

    I believe in Sin. Both original and personal.I'm a very religious but not in the classic sense. I don't go to Church because it seems Christians are the worst hypocrites, they preach humility but are arrogant, they preach generousity but are greedy for gain. There are very few Christians I admire, most are dead.

    Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

    Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

    Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

    Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

    Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

    Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

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    The concept of sin is something Judaic, made by a jealous fictitious God who got upset when people had a free will. So that is a big no, several of the "Seven Deadly Sins" are very Germanic traits, like Anger and Pride (which you missed), and were made by bitter old corrupt Italian men who couldn't meet their own standards.

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    "Sin" might not be the exact word, but I believe that one is capable of committing acts that are offensive to the memory of one's ancestors, offensive to Nature, or to the Gods of one's folk.

    I purpose that because the word "sin" has been in use for a hundreds of years in the West and the concept is now well-entrenched in western culture, modern Heathenism is now better off defining what constitutes a sin than denying the existence of sin.

    As both taboo and the death penalty were fixtures of early Germanic jurisprudence by most contemporary accounts, I have to wonder if anyone else might feel that violent collective rejection of sin/sinners was the true origin of law even in Heathen times?

    There are as such accounts of witches being burned in by staunch pagans and even the Gods themselves burned Gullvieg for bringing evil to Asgard.

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    No, like said above, sin is a concept derived from semitic dualistic religions.

    I don't believe in right and wrong, good and evil.

    I believe in free will -creating one's own set of values and adhering to them.
    So guess to which kind of philosophy I find myself adhering to :p

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    No.

    I certainly believe it is wrong to mistreat those close to me (and when I can spare the time/thought/sympathy, the rest of "humanity"), as well as to damage myself by either doing wrong, or not doing right.

    However the idea of me having to order my life according to the mandates of some heavenly Supreme Sadist (or even an earthly one) is, to be honest, f**king absurd to me.

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    There is something deeply ungermanic about much of Christian theology, not just in the Judaic aspect but also in the layers that have been grafted on to it by the Catholic church, so no I wouldn't say I believe in "sin" as conceptualised by the church. There are other ways of guiding yourself morally, and you can still be a Christian without buying into most of the baseless theology that's been constructed around it.

    I think Nietzche's slave/master morality was broadly accurate, things like sin are designed to elevate the weak and the passive above the strong and the active.

    According to Christian theology, being "without sin" (passive) i.e. being a monk, never doing anything bad but never doing anything good either, is morally superior to someone who spends all their time trying to help people, change the world and improve themself (active) but who also gets angry, is proud of their acheivements, and can be lazy sometimes.

    Personally it doesn't seem right to me that Christianity venerates those who have committed no sins above great people who have faults.

    In ancient Greek and Germanic mythology, Elysium and Valhalla were set aside for great people of courage and valour and those who had done great deeds.

    In Christainity heaven is set aside for the "meek" "the mild" those who have sinned least; for beggars and peasants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The concept of sin is something Judaic, made by a jealous fictitious God who got upset when people had a free will. So that is a big no, several of the "Seven Deadly Sins" are very Germanic traits, like Anger and Pride (which you missed), and were made by bitter old corrupt Italian men who couldn't meet their own standards.
    Your basically saying sin doesn't exist because is a semetic concept and therefore unGermanic, that's an appeal to emotion and not a rational agruement. Absolute truth if it exists would have to exist outside of human judgement. If absolute truth doesn't exist all things are relative.

    My view is that there is an absolute truth and there are certain things that are true whether we like them or not, death, taxes, and perhaps sin. However since sin is a metaphysical concept, it becomes difficult to define.

    I would like to say that perhaps sin doesn't exist, merely the appearance of sin does. That is to say Sin depends on the negative value we place on it. Whose to say Murder is Sinful? In a Darwian sense Murder can be the right thing to do. And really what's the difference between a Polar Bear Killing Another Polar bear and a human killing a human.

    The Biggest problem with the concept of Sin is that it is in direct opposite with Darwian theories of Evolution and Adaptation. Darwin's thread of Survival of the Fittest is strikingly void of all morality. But if one is to take the Darwinian view that there is no Sin, that we are simply carriers of our Genes and all our behavior including sin can be explained away by "maximazing our fittest" life becomes ceases to have meaning. We are in the end just disposal bodies at the mercy of our genes. Which sounds rather fatalistic.

    It seems to me Science can only provide more questions. If the answer to the question of our existence is we are here simply to have a good time and reproduce, that's not the answer I'm looking for.

    Science relies on reason, yet I have become more and more convinced that human reason is limited in its capacities. With that said, I would say I simply have Faith that Sin exists and that God exists, not because I like it or because I feel pressured to conform to someone elses view but that Sin is the best explanation for Human nature.

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    There is something deeply ungermanic about much of Christian theology, not just in the Judaic aspect but also in the layers that have been grafted on to it by the Catholic church, so no I wouldn't say I believe in "sin" as conceptualised by the church. There are other ways of guiding yourself morally, and you can still be a Christian without buying into most of the baseless theology that's been constructed around it.

    I think Nietzche's slave/master morality was broadly accurate, things like sin are designed to elevate the weak and the passive above the strong and the active.

    According to Christian theology, being "without sin" (passive) i.e. being a monk, never doing anything bad but never doing anything good either, is morally superior to someone who spends all their time trying to help people, change the world and improve themself (active) but who also gets angry, is proud of their acheivements, and can be lazy sometimes.

    Personally it doesn't seem right to me that Christianity venerates those who have committed no sins above great people who have faults.

    In ancient Greek and Germanic mythology, Elysium and Valhalla were set aside for great people of courage and valour and those who had done great deeds.

    In Christainity heaven is set aside for the "meek" "the mild" those who have sinned least; for beggars and peasants.
    Nietzche main theme was his Will to Power.
    Maybe being fooled into believing sin exists is the greatest sin out there....

    The more I have to come to the conclusion of what is Good is relative and there is no absolute truth, just personal conviction that our truth is the only truth.

    I wish there was a better answer but now I get your agruement. Sin is relative. I have to say that after much thinking I can only say perhaps it is. There is no way of knowing, as humans are stuck in their subjective realities.

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    Yes, I believe in sin, which is an offense against truth and reason. There are many kinds of sin, and sins can be evaluated according to their gravity.
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    The ultimate sin we're all tainted with is the original sin involving the fall of Adam and Eve.

    This is why no amount of good works or scrupulous attention to moral conduct can lead to salvation without first recognizing and accepting Christ Jesus.

    This is not to say we should not be concerned about how we conduct ourselves, and is certainly no excuse for doing what we know is wrong.
    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    No matter the gravity of sin, Jesus Christ forgives all sins just for the asking and repenting.

    "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
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