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    I'm certainly not a fan of the whole British=English mentality at all, but I think people are reading s bit much into this thread, the original article isn't talking about culture, it's just an article about informal inter-governmentalism.

    On the subject of Americanisation, I don't like it anymore than anyone else, but it should be put into perspective. People, especially in the UK, seem to be extremely anti-American in every way, especially in the media. At the same time though, the media here seems to be posititvely ecstatic about how China is doing, the Times even had a China week a few months ago where they gushed about the Chinese economy and cultural, and how western cultural dominance would soon be ending. Financial journalists are always excited about how Chinese government is trying to buy our biggest corporations and film critics laud Chinese cinema.

    A lot of people here don't realise that globalisation is not optional, and that we're lucky that at least the culture that is shaping and influencing ours was itself shaped and influenced by England, and still in many way defines itself in relation to us. Once China is in charge of world politics and culture there will be no special relationship or mutual respect, only contempt and lingering hatred for what we did to their country. They will not study our literature in school, they won't base their legal system on ours, they won't study our history, there won't be English actors in their films and TV shows and they won't listen to English music.

    The point is, however bad "Americanisation" is, it isn't half as bad as "Sinoisation" is going to be. We should be thankful that if a culture has to be shoved in our faces then at least it is one based on our own.

    On the subject of American culture encouraging ethnic mixing, if you look beneath the surface "political correctness" in America, you'll see that despite having far more immigrants than European countries, Americans are actually much more segregated by race and much less likely to have interracial relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    They are racially very similar & assimilable into an Anglo-Saxon society. German Protestants assimilatged much more easily into Anglo-American society then Irish-Catholics who in most cases have not.
    Assimilation is not an answer, in my opinion.

    Most English do have some ancesters from the Celtic fringe or Protestants from France or the Low Countries over the last 400-years.
    And I never denied this.

    And this is unique to America? What about Toronto? 1/2 the people in the GTA are foreign born to Canada, many of them non-White. Other major Canadian cities have the same ethnic/racial diversity. London is 1/3 non-European. England has had race riots just as America. And in France also, just to point America isn't the only country with problems associated with immigration & polarization.
    You should know by now that I don't really have any real deep down love for Canada. It's not the same feeling as for England. My parents and my brother are foreign born to Canada, so what? 1/2 the people in the GTA are foreign born, but the real question is from where? China, Korea, true, but also Russia and Eastern Europe, don't forget Greektown as well... There's a hell of a lot of Portugese..

    France isn't really a Germanic country so I don't see why you mention it in a discussion about "Anglospheric" countries (though I'd still disagree on N. America).

    English race riots... it's more of a recent phenomenon, like in France. America it seems the problem is much more rooted and common.

    Why are the crime rates higher in America? There is also a much bigger gap between rich and poor there as well. Or does income gap not contribute to social polarisation?

    And as for the eastern & southern Euros, they are White, but their assimilability into a Anglo-Saxon society is not good.
    Like I've said before, assimilation is never a good thing.

    But in the US, Whites who are not Germanic or CeltoGermanic make up about 1/5 to 1/4 of the White population. This includes Irish-Catholics, Jews, Meds, Slavs & exotic Caucasians.
    Irish can be CeltoGermanic too

    The real point is that your supposedly majority "White" population is going to become a minority really soon... there should be something done to prevent such a thing happening, but assimilation is not the answer.

    Where do you get such a statistic? I should love to know. Census data?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    it's just an article about informal inter-governmentalism.
    I still don't like it. *pout*

    A lot of people here don't realise that globalisation is not optional
    Globalisation isn't necessarily a sure thing. Through many possibilities it could fail completely, such as the collapse of American economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post

    Globalisation isn't necessarily a sure thing. Through many possibilities it could fail completely, such as the collapse of American economy.
    That's exactly the sort of thinking that I was talking about, without America as a counter balance, we would soon enough start to be pushed around by China, and have their culture shoved in our faces, have them buying up our national industries and intimidating us militarily.
    The reason we have American culture pushed in our faces isn't because Americans are somehow uniquely obnoxious, it's because they're the most powerful country in the world, and when another non-white country becomes more powerful they will abuse their power far more than the Americans ever have. People who believe that globalisation would go away without the Americans also tend to believe that China quadrupled its military spending for defensive purposes and is investing in Africa because it wants to end world hunger.

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    I didn't say without the Americans globalisation would "go away" but one has to admit that the collapse of the American economy would indeed hinder the globalisation. There are other events that could occur also to hinder globalisation that don't necessarily involve the Americans.

    edit: Furthermore, I'd like to say that the Chinese and American economies are linked enough (supply of cheap exports to America as well as Chinese investment in American currency) that there would be some considerable detriment to the Chinese economy should the American collapse.
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    I think someone here is being a lil' harsh on the USA. Seeing as how without the US, Australia would most probably have ceased to be part of that "anglosphere" decades ago...

    In my opinion, people really like to hype about "American multiculturalism," for better or for worse. But the fact of the matter is, American attitudes on race are much less liberal than people here think. Americans may seem to be more favorably disposed towards "mixing," but there is a difference between an attitude that people express in public and what people allow for their children! The vast majority of Americans outside of the major cities are still descended from very much the same stock that currently populate the rest of the Anglosphere (in the definitions of this forum). Besides, how is the official policy regarding multiculturalism in America really that different from other countries in this "Anglosphere?"

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    "The Anglosphere"

    It is good to see the children of Mother England, come together and discuss what is best for our people on a gobal scale. I am an open hater of the term British. I am English, and that is that. I appreciate the cultural similarities that have grown between the English and their Celtic neighbours. I, however, do not see them at all as being the same, nore do I feel any affinity to them. These similarities have grown due to the location and isolation of our nations. I feel much closer to the Dutch,German, and Danes on a racial/spiritual level. I wish the United Kingdom was abolished, and perhaps a trade and friendly partnership between England and the Celtic nations put into action.

    Ofcourse there are English with Celtic admixture. This is not reason enough to seperate yourself from being fully Anglo-Saxon in heart and culture. In most cases these "Anglo-Celt" people are overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon by Genetic %. As the world falls down, we shall see how specific human beings are about tribe and race. The numerous nations within members of the same race should be proof enough of this fact.


    When we talk about multi-cultism, we should not be pointing the fingers at eachother. We all know the hand, that reaches in the worlds pocket, and the mouth that whispers in our ears. I do not have any sympathy for the Germanic or White politicians who cave into them for riches. The biggest problem with our tribe, is Zionist brainwashed Self-hate, and Zionist Guiltism.


    All Anglo-Saxons are Children of England. England is our only true homeland. We should have no goal but that of freeing our homeland, and protecting its children nations: Dominion of Canada, U.S.A., New Zealand, Australia, and S.A.

    As an Anglo-Saxon it is your duty to fight for England. Look at yourselves only as Anglo-Saxon warriors posted on different fronts, ready to pounce at any moment! There is only England, and after that, there is only England.

    I am not even sure, what connection we have with the Angel and Saxon people on the mainland, or if any of those people even identify themselves as our brothers. Would be interesting to learn.

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    'Celtic' as it is used to refer to the Scots, Welsh and Irish is of course a misnomer. It has about the same amount of cultural precision as 'Aryan' did: it is a linguistic term, not an ethnocultural taxon. Obviously, language is not any kind of ethnic boundary, as the histories of these peoples demonstrate - they have been intermingling with the English on the folk level for so long without animus that they are barely distinguishable. The fact of the matter is that the 'Celtic' peoples have more in common with the English than the English do with other Germanic countries, in terms of genetics, in terms of culture and folkways, in terms of history, and indeed in terms of the language they actually speak.

    I should say however that I'm sympathetic to English and Scottish nationalism, and that I am for the maximum amount of devolution possible (everything short of formal independence). I hold this not only because I recognise them as distinct groups, but also because I think regional autonomy should be cultivated as an end in itself whenever possible - this goes for regions within England and Scotland as much as it does between England and Scotland.

    My vision for the broader Anglosphere is not much different. I want the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to be united, but I do not want them to be dominated by one parliament or central authority. I would like to see British Columbia on equal terms with East Anglia, Queensland with the Hebrides, and New Zealand with Ulster in terms of regional self-governance and autonomy. The only exceptions to this autonomy are foreign policy and military: these are necessary to have a global presence as a single actor. Obviously, we already have a common head of state so that would not even be an issue. Indeed, with the dissolution of the 'United Kingdom', 'Canada' and so on into a broader federation based on kinship and shared geopolitical interest, we would all find greater autonomy, not less, and fall back on our organic regional identities rather than petty statisms.

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    It's an interesting theory. But from my exposure to Americans (which i readily admit is limited) Americans buy into the whole melting pot mythology a lot more than anyone else. Whether conservative or liberal, racialist or antifascist, i've heard Americans use the melting pot myth to support their point of view. Even amongst the racially aware whites of America white nationalism seems to predominate. With all of it's "we overcame the differences of nationality and culture in America, to prove that the melting pot works with whites".

    I'd love the Anglosphere to become something more solid than a mere coincidence of spoken language. But with the amount of non-English and non-Germanic blood Americans seem to have embraced, it would be very problematical.
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