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    Arizona shows enforcement works-Illegals leave after tough law introduced

    Lesson #1: All this whining about how hard it is to deport 20-30 million illegals and how much it will cost is BS. If you just make it unbeneficial for them to hang around, most of them will leave on their own.

    Lesson #2: Don't back down. If the name 'Russel Pearce' rings a bell, it's because a year or so ago he was in the news for forwarding in an email to his supporters list this article: http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/index.html

    After the usual media onslaught, he didn't fall over himself trying to apologize and go out of his way to 'prove he's not a racist' or resign from office. He ran for reelection and won, and put forward this bill, which was passed and is now driving the illegal aliens out of his state.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/22/imm....ap/index.html

    Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

    The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    And by all appearances, it's starting to work.

    "People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors -- they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

    Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.

    "I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," he said. "I'll be better in my country."

    He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd."

    There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holiday visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.

    State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

    "I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. They're criminals."

    Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.

    Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.

    "Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."

    When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.

    She said the flagging economy, particularly in the construction industry, also is contributing to an immigrant exodus.

    "As the jobs dwindle and the environment becomes more unpleasant in more ways than one, you then decide what to do, and perhaps leaving looks like a good idea," she said.

    Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

    "We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

    He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

    "It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."
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    That sounds like a good law. All American states and European nations should pass bills like these one's. Very fact that legal bussiness are already started to purge illegals from their workpool and many of said illegals apear to be packing their bags to move out shows that meassures like these have a strong effect and more importantly works in bringing down the level of illegal immigration.

    But if this bill is passed is it possible that activist judges could repeal it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    But if this bill is passed is it possible that activist judges could repeal it?
    They already tried, and it ended up getting thrown out of court. It's possible they will try again though.
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    It is good to see that the are indeed some sensible people in Arizona!! I guess the secret is to be tough enough and to stick firmly to the decision. That might be rather more difficult for some countries these days..................!

    Do the "incomers" simply move to another easier state - or leave the country?eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Do the "incomers" simply move to another easier state - or leave the country?eyes:
    Some of both apparently. This should be a lesson to other states to adopt similar legislation
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    THis is a wonderful display of states asserting their rights. Democracy and the free market can work together to solve problems. Of course many illegal immigrants are just moving to other states but hopefully that will encourage those states to do something as well. SOme businesses are not expanding into Arizona until they see how this works out but I think that is only a temporary setback. If it works as it should they will see more reason to go there.

    Tennessee has a great sounding new law starting as well.In Tennessee you do not have to use the E-Verify(a free federal ID check computer program) just fill out your I-9 forms.
    On. Jan. 1, Tennessee will join one other state in doing what many say the federal government does not: forcing employers to hire only legal workers.

    Here and in Arizona, employers that knowingly hire illegal immigrants will be forced to fire them. Those caught again in a three-year period can lose their business licenses for one year in Tennessee and permanently in Arizona. A similar Oklahoma law will be effective in July.
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    I really like the ruling that the judge gave on the Arizona law. This is his final argument. Also since it was not a class action lawsuit it would have only protected the plaintiffs. I am now a fan of U.S. District Judge Neil V. Wake.0003:0000:
    4. Those who suffer the most from unauthorized alien labor are those whom federal and Arizona law most explicitly protect. They are the competing lawful workers, many unskilled, low-wage, sometimes near or under the margin of poverty, who strain in individual competition and in a wage economy depressed by the great and expanding number of people who will work for less. . . . If the act is suspended, whether for a month or for years, the human cost for the least among us, measured by each person's continued deprivation, multiplied by their number, will be a great quantum. Even if the injunction is lifted later, their loss will never be paid back. Against all this, plaintiffs suffer only the expense of having their computer staff log some more hours, with off-setting business benefits as well, and helping authorized workers clear up their records."
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