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    State Archbishop calls Nativity 'a legend'

    Archbishop says nativity 'a legend'

    Telegraph 20/12/2007


    The Archbishop of Canterbury said yesterday that the Christmas story of the Three Wise Men was nothing but a 'legend'.

    Dr Rowan Williams has claimed there was little evidence that the Magi even existed and there was certainly nothing to prove there were three of them or that they were kings.

    Dr Williams argued that the traditional Christmas story was nothing but a 'legend'.....................

    He said the only reference to the wise men from the East was in Matthew's gospel and the details were very vague.

    Dr Williams said: "Matthew's gospel says they are astrologers, wise men, priests from somewhere outside the Roman Empire, that's all we're really told. It works quite well as legend............"

    The Archbishop went on to dispel other details of the Christmas story, adding that there were probably no asses or oxen in the stable.

    He argued that Christmas cards which showed the Virgin Mary cradling the baby Jesus, flanked by shepherds and wise men, were misleading. As for the scenes that depicted snow falling in Bethlehem, the Archbishop said the chance of this was "very unlikely".

    In a final blow to the traditional nativity story, Dr Williams concluded that Jesus was probably not born in December at all. He said: "Christmas was when it was because it fitted well with the winter festival."

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    So there you have it . Now what about little Jesus being the only son of "God" ? ---- any bidders ??

    Meanwhile --

    - at Winter SOLSTICE 2007 --

    HAPPY YULE TO YOU ALL !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Archbishop says nativity 'a legend'

    Telegraph 20/12/2007


    The Archbishop of Canterbury said yesterday that the Christmas story of the Three Wise Men was nothing but a 'legend'.

    Dr Rowan Williams has claimed there was little evidence that the Magi even existed and there was certainly nothing to prove there were three of them or that they were kings.
    I don't know if I would use the word legend but it obviously is mythology (no-brainer!). The Magi did exist and were probably a reference to the Persian Magi. The nativity itself however is better thought of in a cave rather than a stable, but this seems to be a problem with translation. The place where animals were kept was literally a cave dug into the earth.

    I wonder if the next claim this joker will make is that the mount of resurrection didn't exist? All of these attempts to destroy spirituality only reflect the ignorance of the accusers and are a stark reminder that we are in the last phases of the Kali Yuga.
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    The things he mentioned are all more or less common sense and widely known but we do still celebrate it in Europe because it's a nice tradition. It's based on mythology.So what? Who cares? Saying that allowed as an arch bishop seems like an attempt to destroy religious traditions...
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    Wow! Never thought I'd see the day that I'd read such things. It almost seems suspicious - like a calculated move to cheapen the Church. That's how shocking I find this anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    So there you have it . Now what about little Jesus being the only son of "God" ? ---- any bidders ??
    It's absolutely hilarious that you pagans actually take this announcement seriously, since the Anglican Church is now infamous for making asinine statements like this - which they do on a regular basis. A few years ago, they declared that the Wise men are not really Wise men.

    Within much of the wider Christian community, the Anglican Church is beginning to be seen as nothing but an incredible joke.

    Hence why so many of its traditionalist members are converting in ever larger numbers to Catholicism:

    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07102506.html

    Traditionally Christian Anglicans Ask to Join Catholic Church En Masse
    Homosexuality the flash point

    By Hilary White

    PORTSMOUTH, UK, October 25, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The splits in the Worldwide Anglican Communion over the church’s secularising trends and growing enthusiasm for homosexuality has led some to seek reunion with the Catholic Church after nearly 500 years apart.

    The bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC)are reported to have met in Plenary Session in Portsmouth, England, in the first week of October 2007 and “unanimously agreed” to send a letter to the Pope seeking full, corporate, sacramental union” with the Catholic Church. The group has agreed not to give interviews until the Vatican has responded to their request.

    The TAC boasts of some 400,000 members worldwide with at least 100 parishes in the US. It has been estimated that the TAC could have as many as 500 parishes supporting its goals in the UK.

    TAC has been seeking for some years to establish some agreement with Rome that would see the entire body into the Catholic Church. In 2005, shortly after the election of Pope Benedict XVI, the head of the TAC, Archbishop John Hepworth of Adelaide, Australia, said, “We are looking at a church which would retain an Anglican liturgy, Anglican spirituality and a married clergy.” The TAC has retained a positive relationship with Pope Benedict since, as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, he was head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taras View Post
    It's absolutely hilarious that you pagans actually take this announcement seriously, since the Anglican Church is now infamous for making asinine statements like this - which they do on a regular basis. A few years ago, they declared that the Wise men are not really Wise men.

    Within much of the wider Christian community, the Anglican Church is beginning to be seen as nothing but an incredible joke.

    Hence why so many of its traditionalist members are converting in ever larger numbers to Catholicism:
    And randomly abolishing purgatory by the word of some senile old man isn't just as ridiculous?

    All Christian churches are a farce.

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    The next thing I'm going to hear with all this Catholicism hogwash is that there isn't a Pagan/Heathen revival either? :033102st: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynhild View Post
    The next thing I'm going to hear with all this Catholicism hogwash is that there isn't a Pagan/Heathen revival either? :033102st: :
    Actually there's been much literature on the pagan revival within Catholic-Christian circles.

    But it's nowhere near significant, as even many Pagans themselves have admitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taras View Post
    Actually there's been much literature on the pagan revival within Catholic-Christian circles.

    But it's nowhere near significant, as even many Pagans themselves have admitted.
    And the number of Pagans who admit to this sort of thing would be? Quite frankly, a lot of Pagans still duck for cover - mainly out of fear from persecution.

    What I really want the Catholics (and I was practising RC so I know what I'm talking about) to say is "Yeah we've borrowed many Pagan traditions for our services, including the Eucharist (blessing of bread and wine), Holy Communion (people within the church partaking of the said blessed bread and wine) and Requiem (honouring the dead).

    Now that I think about it, Paganism hasn't really died so much as been plagiarised and bastardised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynhild View Post
    and I was practising RC so I know what I'm talking about
    If only I was paid everytime I heard this.


    Now that I think about it, Paganism hasn't really died so much as been plagiarised and bastardised.
    No rather it was improved upon. If anything, it's Neo-Pagans who plagiarise and bastardized the tradition they're supposedly reviving.

    And the irony is that the last living link with the pagan past is found within the Catholic Church, as opposed to Neo-paganism(which often have little if anything to do with original paganism).

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