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    The Yule Goat

    So today I was talking to someone about Yule vs. Christmas. Interesting traditions. Here some pictures of the Yule goat:

    Julbock - a scandinavian christmas symbol
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    Julbock at Gävle, Sweden
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    Julbocken from John Bauer
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    Info about the Yule goat:

    The Julbock or Julbukk, the Yule Goat, who to this day plays a big part in Norse Yule festivities, is thought to derive from Thor's magical goats Tannginost and Tanngrisnir who draw His chariot through the sky. There are many legends that tell of Thor's benevolent protectiveness of human kind, and of his jolly, fun-loving nature (at least when He is not in a Troll-slaying mood). This seems more in line with modern conceptions of jolly Saint Nick than grim Oden the Wild Huntsman. The Yule goats carry the Yule Elf as he visits the folk, bestows gifts, and gets his traditional offering of porridge. Modern Yule decorations of straw formed into goats, straw-goat ornamented wreaths, and a (mock) Yule goat head bourne about on a stick are all memories of Thor's animals. When the Yule log burns on the hearth, some scholars say, it is an offering on Thor's altar. Thus we have the legend of Santa "coming down the chimney".
    http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/yule.html

    Interesting. About the last sentence, so it looks like our Christian traditions have the Heathen ones as inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    So it looks like our Christian traditions have the Heathen ones as inspiration.
    I wouldn't even call the traditions Christian.

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    Ridiculous! How are these things Christian ? Why, even the tree has little connection. These things are rooted in the pagan past and should be respected for that!

    Yul predates Christmas. you should be prepared to celebrate it with fire at the right time . The rest has become merely a commercial event ........

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    Christians adopted some of the Pagan ways. I don't see why it pisses you off so much, it's not something out of the ordinary. Our cultures and lifestyles are made up of various elements and some come from other cultures and lifestyles. Some of the cuisine, even our national symbols, like the eagle. I ain't sayin the Yule goat is a Christian thing, read what I posted, the legend of Santa "coming down the chimney" is based on Heathen traditions of the Yule log burning. So what? Christmas is a Christian tradition even if it is inspired by Heathen ones. It has become tradition in many Germanic countries, think Christmas markets. It's not like the Christians copied everything from Heathens, think about it on Christmas we Christians celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, that's the most important thing about Christmas for us.

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    The Yule Goat/JuleBock is not even pretending to be Christian as far as I know. It was Thor's goat, a mummer type entertainer/traveler and then Santa's helper. No Christ in any of those.

    People keep burning down the Glave Goat but I think that they have gotten it fireproofed. Here is the 'live webcam and blog'.

    My goat is next to a St Lucia crown and Starboy hat that we made for my daughter's preschool. St Lucia is nominaly Christian but it is very clearly a solstice celebration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    It's not like the Christians copied everything from Heathens, think about it on Christmas we Christians celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, that's the most important thing about Christmas for us.
    you mean the birth of your Lord perhaps ?

    Yes I see the point you are making, of course. Our priests tend to react variously... most are tolerant of these symbols .... some are more puritanical and object to the green stuff. That's their problem. I am all for old symbols - especially if they are northern rather than eastern. In fact , the old festival is still the most inspiring - the one the christians of yore stole from the pagan ancestors before they converted them to strange and alien things.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    you mean the birth of your Lord perhaps ?
    Of course, our. How else would you say "your" in the first person plural? :p I was refering to me and my fellow Christians.

    Yes I see the point you are making, of course. Our priests tend to react variously... most are tolerant of these symbols .... some are more puritanical and object to the green stuff. That's their problem. I am all for old symbols - especially if they are northern rather than eastern. In fact , the old festival is still the most inspiring - the one the christians of yore stole from the pagan ancestors before they converted them to strange and alien things.........
    I respect both types of celebrations. Aside from these things, Christianity differs very much from Heathenism, but I don't consider Christianity anymore alien to Germanics than I consider German potato salad or Christmas markets. Even more so that I'm a protestant Christian and protestantism is a Germanic invention. But that's another topic and I think we've already got a thread about it so let's focus this one on the Yule goat shall we.

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    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Of course, our. How else would you say "your" in the first person plural? :p I was refering to me and my fellow Christians.

    Then "We Christians" would have worked better would it not have?

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    ...... let's focus this one on the Yule goat shall we.
    Yes great idea,, let's ! That is the great thing about Yule and being a HEATHEN . All of the fun, and you dont even need jayyyyyzus if you don't want, and I dont want.

    To me yule celebration has nothing to do with "Christmas". Christmas, is a Christer marketing ploy because there is nothing positive or European about that Semitic sadomasochistic cult.

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    Yule is a sacred time of Peace to the World, the Peace of Freyr , the Lord to Sweden - bringer of Holy Frith.....

    .... and there, at least, its more the Swine or the Hog's head... as it used to be in old England. But if you want a Yule goat to sacrifice too -- well, why not! And a fire perhaps....

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