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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    Finally someone who understand the importance to Germanice the east.

    Amen, brother, Amen!!
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    Maybe this here is a better map though?

    Greater Netherlands including Northern France.

    No Slavic semi-autonomous vasal states, but only a greater Germany with the Volgariver as borders.

    Imagine what an empire, what a superpower Germany could be? Enough land to provide its people food, enough land for its farmers to expand their property. Oil, industry areas of the Donetzk, it would be all ours.

    Instead, we hjave today a smaller Germany, between Rhine and Oder-Neisse, overpopulated, a country without space.
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    Like I stated before I am not a nationalist so my opinion probably isn' too significant on this thread. I am more of a blood and soil tribalist. If we did try to populate other parts of the world they would eventually become something else than Germanic in some way or another. Keep in mind that part of the reason Belarus came into being is because they didn't want to be a part of a Russia where the people in the far East and South were "Russian" too. Big countries are stagnant countries that have troubles staying vibrant with a huge body to circulate goods, political power and resources through. I respect other cultures and populations enough to leave them alone. The slavs have a right to their own land and preserving themselves. That's why I like the map I posted since it honors that.

    I think it would be better if we formed a confederation of nations. Even as far back as Tacitus time the various Germanic tribes had become unique enough that their cultures were unique and diverse despite still having a common identity as Teutonic or Germanic. With dissolved national boarders it would be very difficult to preserve localized customs.

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    Might be, but Germans shall always look eastwards: there we can find natural resources and space to live.

    Besides, large parts of Poland and Ukraine was once populated by Germanics, and there existed German, Dutch and Swedish settlements in imperial Russia. I just see this way: we only take back what originally belonged to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    Might be, but Germans shall always look eastwards: there we can find natural resources and space to live.

    Besides, large parts of Poland and Ukraine was once populated by Germanics, and there existed German, Dutch and Swedish settlements in imperial Russia. I just see this way: we only take back what originally belonged to us.
    I agree with some of that.. I am a strong believer in Germany taking back their land from Poland, the Ukraine and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    Russia was ment to become German, to be Germanized by Germanic settlers and become fully a Germanic area, without Slavs.
    The whole of Russia was never entirely German land. I believe in taking back land that belonged to Germany and which Germans founded their settlements on, but not Slavic land. What do you suppose would happen to the Russians living on the German "living space"? Germanization as assimilation of millions of Slavic elements? Or ethnic cleansing? Imperialism is multicultural and anti-Germanic. If the tables turn and the Russians win the fight, the Germanics will be the ones to suffer from colonization.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    Maybe this here is a better map though?

    Greater Netherlands including Northern France.

    No Slavic semi-autonomous vasal states, but only a greater Germany with the Volgariver as borders.

    Imagine what an empire, what a superpower Germany could be? Enough land to provide its people food, enough land for its farmers to expand their property. Oil, industry areas of the Donetzk, it would be all ours.

    Instead, we hjave today a smaller Germany, between Rhine and Oder-Neisse, overpopulated, a country without space.
    I just saw this picture yesterday. Do you play HoI2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The whole of Russia was never entirely German land. I believe in taking back land that belonged to Germany and which Germans founded their settlements on, but not Slavic land. What do you suppose would happen to the Russians living on the German "living space"? Germanization as assimilation of millions of Slavic elements? Or ethnic cleansing? Imperialism is multicultural and anti-Germanic. If the tables turn and the Russians win the fight, the Germanics will be the ones to suffer from colonization.
    They would be moved to Siberia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
    I just saw this picture yesterday. Do you play HoI2?
    Nope.

    I just was searching on google for something quite different and accidentelly found this map and decided to add it here, as Iam in favour of a Drang nach Osten policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
    They would be moved to Siberia.
    It looks like this National Socialist thinking did not work. Instead, it was German civilians who were sent there. In work camps. Some paid with their lives for an utopian, foolish National Socialist dream.

    Do you seriously believe that in the 21st century, you will be able to push m illions of Russians to Siberia without suffering drastic consequences? Germany has lost two wars due to its imperialistic politics, it will probably lose a third. How many more innocent lives of Germanics are you willing to sacrifice for National Socialist utopias?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    It looks like this National Socialist thinking did not work. Instead, it was German civilians who were sent there. In work camps. Some paid with their lives for an utopian, foolish National Socialist dream.

    Do you seriously believe that in the 21st century, you will be able to push m illions of Russians to Siberia without suffering drastic consequences? Germany has lost two wars due to its imperialistic politics, it will probably lose a third. How many more innocent lives of Germanics are you willing to sacrifice for National Socialist utopias?
    And people of your ideology are the ones who embarked on the great vision of not only the loss of German territories but a divided Germany.

    No people move forward without sacrifice. Your thoughts are of stagnation, and unless Germanics move forward, they move back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    Nope.

    I just was searching on google for something quite different and accidentelly found this map and decided to add it here, as Iam in favour of a Drang nach Osten policy.
    I don't like the map much. Netherlands should be part of the Reich and so should Norway, Denmark and Sweden. It was fairly accurate apart from those major aspects.
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