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    Hahaha, that's an EU flag to which you'd see me hailing! -smil

    What does Valtakunta mean? That's not the Finnish name of Germany, isn't it (I believe the Finns call the Germans with the Saxons' name)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    Hahaha, that's an EU flag to which you'd see me hailing! -smil

    What does Valtakunta mean? That's not the Finnish name of Germany, isn't it (I believe the Finns call the Germans with the Saxons' name).
    There are ancient Old-Saxon loan words in Finnish, so guess the ancient Saxons and Finns met one another across the Baltic, and liked what they saw. A Finnish hiking friend told me that the Finnish word for German was the same as for Saxon. This would not be unusual, as modern unified Germany is a collection of principalities, duchies, and whatnot, that were originally sliced from larger semi-distinct West -Germanic tribal areas, Baiovarii, Saxons, Allemanni, Longobordii, Franks, etc., and these tribes dealt with outside nations before modern Germany formed, so for example the Latin speaking countries use a word derived from Allemanni to describe Germany.
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    - ¿Cómo se dice 'Deutschland' en español?
    - Alemania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    Hahaha, that's an EU flag to which you'd see me hailing! -smil

    What does Valtakunta mean?
    It means Reich, like I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    That's not the Finnish name of Germany, isn't it (I believe the Finns call the Germans with the Saxons' name)?
    Yes, the Finnish name of Germany is Saksa, which obviously based on the name Sachsen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter
    There are ancient Old-Saxon loan words in Finnish, so guess the ancient Saxons and Finns met one another across the Baltic, and liked what they saw. A Finnish hiking friend told me that the Finnish word for German was the same as for Saxon.
    Not quite, a German is saksalainen, a Saxon is saksilainen.

    The suffix -lainen is the same as the English suffix -ish or the German suffix -isch. E.g. the Finnish word for American is amerikkalainen, Italian is italialainen, Spanish is espanjalainen etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter
    This would not be unusual, as modern unified Germany is a collection of principalities, duchies, and whatnot, that were originally sliced from larger semi-distinct West -Germanic tribal areas, Baiovarii, Saxons, Allemanni, Longobordii, Franks, etc., and these tribes dealt with outside nations before modern Germany formed, so for example the Latin speaking countries use a word derived from Allemanni to describe Germany.
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    - ¿Cómo se dice 'Deutschland' en español?
    - Alemania.
    Yes, it's Alemania in Spanish and Allemagne in French, but in Italian it's Germania.
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    Yes, it's Alemania in Spanish and Allemagne in French, but in Italian it's Germania.
    Italian is an interesting case in this respect, as Germany is called there Germania, its folk however with its Deutsch name Tedeschi. Similar Russia, where it is also Germania, however Nemet... (speechless) with the usual Slavic name for the Germans.

    Compare also English, where one speaks of Holland/the Netherlands, but where the people of that country bear as Dutch the Deutsch name.

    And in Germany one speaks of Turkish food in Turkish snack bars, which are ran however by--"Kanaken". :laugh:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    Italian is an interesting case in this respect, as Germany is called there Germania, its folk however with its Deutsch name Tedeschi.
    Also the language is called tedesco.

    The reason why you should remember the word tedesco is that normal coffee is called caffé tedesco in Italian, i.e. German coffee... So if you don't want caffé latte or something, always order caffé tedesco when you're in Italy. They simply won't understand what you mean if you say "I don't want caffé latte, I just want normal coffee"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    Kirchturmpatriotismus (church tower patriotism). Switzerland isn't even the worst in this respect. Don't forget that there is a "nation" of Luxemburg--and one of Liechtenstein.
    Does that mean patriotism only among people who live within sight of the same churchtower, i.e. in the same neighbourhood or village?
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    Does that mean patriotism only among people who live within sight of the same churchtower, i.e. in the same neighbourhood or village?
    Yes, that is the basic meaning – it along with the various petty princes and nobles, each wanting to preserve the rights of ‘their own nation’ are the causes Historians describe as the main reasons Germany did not unify until somewhat late in history – even though they were far more numerous ethnically than the English or French. It is also why and how French leaders from Louis XIV to Napoleon were able to take bites out of German or Germanic speaking territories throughout history – for example playing Bavaria and Baden of against each other, and promising ones territory to the other, while more of the western frontier was eaten. Flemish regions, and almost Holland itself was sliced away like this, and there are still Tyrolean folk songs filled with anger at the Bavarians for their siding with the French and preying upon Tyrol, even though in a modern sense, we might see Tyroleans and Bavarians as close cousins if not brothers. - this is the 'divide and conquer' principle.

    The wars of the German-speaking lands most often involved both Germanic ‘nations’ eventually losing, and the outsider being the only interest who gained advantage, which is something that might make the Swiss seem wise to stay uninvolved, if every war means diminishing every Germanic participant a little bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenriSS_
    what about giving Norway back iceland and greenland 1:. Perhabs some of great brittain to
    What about giving Norway, Finland, Poland, Pommerania and Balticum back to Sweden? eyes:
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    Map describing Generalplan Ost

    Do you know of any good map describing the intended final result of Generalplan Ost?

    The best map that I can find is this but it describes only the earliest phase of the Große Planung:

    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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    When was this posted? I have seen this image before.

    A nice dream... I have always much preferred a Greater Germanic Reich than a Greater German Reich.
    Perfection.

    War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - Ambrose Bierce

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    The problem is that this map doesn´t depict a "Greater Germanic Reich" but a multicultural hellhole because the whole mass of Slavs and Russians in the east would be part of that Pseudo-Germanic reich. eyes:

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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