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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorostan
    Evidence?

    Evidence, as in proof, is not needed here. Only opinions matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    This new Lebensraum was supposed to be in the east, so the annexation of the Benelux countries and Denmark and Norway doesn't make sense.

    That's why I asked for sources for the hypothesis that the Benelux countries and Norway and Denmark would have been included in the Reich as provinces.
    They're Germanic. That's all that matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    I'm also wondering whether this actually meant Siberia in a literal sense, or whether it's some kind of a sick joke. The Germans didn't even want to conquer Siberia, so how could they have forced the Czechs, White Russians and Ukrainians move there?
    Stalin never said no to "workers"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    http://img131.exs.cx/img131/4988/gro...esreich6vl.jpg

    Unfortunately I know nothing else about the map... :animal-sm
    One can see that it has the signature of the Institut für Zeitgeschichte, the German state's institute for contemporary history.

    I remember having seen wuite the identical map on a double page in Werner Hilgemann, Atlas zur deutschen Zeitgeschichte 1918-1968, Munich 1984. On another double page, there was a text with short explanations of the details.

    With respect to Switzerland, in a New Order it would have been most likely divided according to its ethnical division. Ethnically, culturally, and racially, by dialect and by stem, German Switzerland is only a continuation of the German Alemannic south-west and its most extreme part. However that wasn't the question that had most prior. Directly by Hitler I've got in the moment only a few remarks in my mind about the Swiss being a badly brought up part of the German folk, because disunited from the nation already for so long.
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavus Magnus
    They're Germanic. That's all that matters.
    That's not enough to justify the annexation of the Benelux countries and Denmark and Norway as provinces.

    I don't think Hitler wanted that.

    Germany invaded and occupied Denmark and Norway only because Britain and France were planning an invasion of Germany from the north, during the Finnish winter war, using Finland as a pretext. The decision to send British and French troops to Norway and Sweden had been made during the Finnish winter war, but it wasn't cancelled when the winter war ended in March 1940. The British and French troops were supposed to arrive in Norway and Sweden in April anyway, so Germany had to do a pre-emptive strike to Denmark and Norway to prevent Britain and France from launching an invasion of Germany from the north. This was the only reason for the German occupation of Denmark and Norway.

    As for the Benelux countries, the invasion of France had to go through that area, and the reason for the invasion of France was the British and French refusal to accept a peace deal proposed by Hitler after the war in Poland had ended in October 1939.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    One can see that it has the signature of the Institut für Zeitgeschichte, the German state's institute for contemporary history.
    I can see that, and given their extreme anti-nazi bias, they probably exaggerate the extent of the planned Greater Reich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    I remember having seen wuite the identical map on a double page in Werner Hilgemann, Atlas zur deutschen Zeitgeschichte 1918-1968, Munich 1984. On another double page, there was a text with short explanations of the details.
    If you have that atlas, could you please scan the relevant explanations and post them here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    With respect to Switzerland, in a New Order it would have been most likely divided according to its ethnical division. Ethnically, culturally, and racially, by dialect and by stem, German Switzerland is only a continuation of the German Alemannic south-west and its most extreme part.
    Yes, I think this is obvious, and the Swiss Italian area (Ticino/Tessin) is just a continuation of Northern Italy, and the French-speaking part, Suisse Romande, is culturally a part of France. Switzerland could be split up between Germany, France and Italy without anyone suffering any injustice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    However that wasn't the question that had most prior.
    Obviously the conquest of Switzerland had very low priority because it was surrounded by Germany, France and Italy anyway, so it was in the middle of Axis Europe, with no threat of an invasion by the Allied powers.
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    If you have that atlas, could you please scan the relevant explanations and post them here?
    I don't own that atlas myself, but I borrowed it a few years ago from the library. In bookstores, it isn't available anymore, but there in second-hand bookshops like www.zvab.com.
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    That's not enough to justify the annexation of the Benelux countries and Denmark and Norway as provinces.

    I don't think Hitler wanted that.
    In the long run he did. He wanted to create a "nation of whites from Norway to northern Italy".

    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    As for the Benelux countries, the invasion of France had to go through that area, and the reason for the invasion of France was the British and French refusal to accept a peace deal proposed by Hitler after the war in Poland had ended in October 1939.
    What he did during the war he did to win the war, that's right, but that doesn't mean he would do something else after the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavus Magnus
    In the long run he did. He wanted to create a "nation of whites from Norway to northern Italy".
    Source?

    What he did during the war he did to win the war, that's right, but that doesn't mean he would do something else after the war.
    You have a point there.

    BTW, who wrote that poem of Hitler that you have in your signature?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    I don't own that atlas myself, but I borrowed it a few years ago from the library. In bookstores, it isn't available anymore, but there in second-hand bookshops like www.zvab.com.
    Could you borrow it from the library and scan the explanations page and post it here?

    I wouldn't like to buy an entire atlas just to get the explanations for that map.
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    Source?
    All right, hang on. He never hid the fact that he mostly cared about Germanics though, and Germanics live between Norway's nothern point and northern Italy's southern point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    You have a point there.

    BTW, who wrote that poem of Hitler that you have in your signature?
    A Swede called Errol Norstedt. He's dead now, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavus Magnus
    He never hid the fact that he mostly cared about Germanics though, and Germanics live between Norway's nothern point and northern Italy's southern point.
    Yeah but he didn't want to subjugate other Germanic peoples, he thought the Germans should get new Lebensraum at the expense of the Slavs (mostly Poles and Ukrainians) and Balts. He also thought Scandinavia was racially superior to Germany itself since Germans were of mixed racial background, including more Alpine blood than Nordic. Hitler himself was Alpine, but he apparently still believed Nordics were superior to Alpines, even though he said somewhere Alpines were more civilised than Nordics because they had had more contacts with ancient Rome and renaissance Italy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavus Magnus
    A Swede called Errol Norstedt. He's dead now, unfortunately.


    Från Wikipedia, den fria encyklopedin.


    Eddie Meduza, artistnamn för Errol Norstedt, född 17 juni 1948, död 16 januari 2002, musiker, kompositör.

    Meduza var ledande inom den s.k. raggarrocken med låtar som Mera brännvin och Volvo.

    Errol Norstedt skrev även låtar till andra, t.ex. Evert med Matz Stefanz med Lailaz som låg på Svensktoppen 1997.

    Under pseudonymen E. Hilter fick Norstedt utlopp för sin mest obscena humor, sin musikaliska experimentlusta och sina samhällskritiska texter, vilka passade illa ihop med varumärket Eddie Meduza. Bland E. Hilters mest kända låtar märks Den runkande spårvagnschauffören, Jag släppte en skit på Dansrotundans dansgolv, Det kliar på kuken, Fruntimmer och Kuken står på Mats Olsson.
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susisaari
    Could you borrow it from the library and scan the explanations page and post it here?

    I wouldn't like to buy an entire atlas just to get the explanations for that map.
    Can anybody borrow that atlas from the library?

    If not, can you write to IfZ and ask them to mail you the explanations for the map?
    Neither assimilation nor integration will solve the problems. The only thing that would work from my point of view would be separation. And this separation should be done on a global level, not on a communal level. The western countries here, the islamic countries there. And a very tall border between the two worlds please.

    -- Valkyrie

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