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    Question Countries with a Germanic Influence?

    This new forum piqued my curiosity. Which countries do you believe have been influenced by Germanics and in what respects?

    I believe Ireland is a very good example. It is a Celtic country influenced by Germanics. The most dominant sector of Germanic influence is in the language (English). Irish literature is mainly in the English language:

    For an island of relatively small population, Ireland has made a disproportionately large contribution to world literature in all its branches, mainly in English. Poetry in Irish represents the oldest vernacular poetry in Europe with the earliest examples dating from the 6th century; Jonathan Swift, still often called the foremost satirist in the English language, was wildly popular in his day (Gulliver's Travels, A Modest Proposal etc.) and remains so in modern times amongst both children and adults. In more recent times, Ireland has produced four winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature: George Bernard Shaw, William Butler Yeats, Samuel Beckett and Seamus Heaney. Although not a Nobel Prize winner, James Joyce is widely considered one of the most significant writers of the 20th century and Samuel Beckett memorably refused to attend his own Nobel award ceremony, claiming that Joyce should have received the award. His 1922 novel Ulysses is considered one of the most important works of Modernist literature and his life is celebrated annually on June 16 in Dublin as the Bloomsday celebrations.


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    The USA is influenced by Germanic Culture and Ethnicities.


    In Europe, i say Hungary is influenced and France is, in some parts heavily influenced. Northern Italy is also heavily germanic influenced.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    The USA is influenced by Germanic Culture and Ethnicities.
    The USA is a Germanic country, it's listed as a Germanic land around the world so it really doesn't fall under the discussion of this forum.

    In Europe, i say Hungary is influenced and France is, in some parts heavily influenced. Northern Italy is also heavily germanic influenced.




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    How are these countries influenced? I started this thread because I am interested in what respects there is Germanic influence in non-Germanic countries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The USA is a Germanic country, it's listed as a Germanic land around the world so it really doesn't fall under the discussion of this forum.
    The Majority of the USA is Germanic but still it's culture is not like it is in germanic european countries, that's why i rather call it Influenced than pure-germanic in culture.

    How are these countries influenced? I started this thread because I am interested in what respects there is Germanic influence in non-Germanic countries.
    Hungary, Parts of France and Northern Italy are influenced because they were a Part of either German or Austrian Empire.
    In Northern Italy some Villages only speak german and also many northern italians are of either 100% or 1/2 German/Austrian Descent.
    Parts of France, like Lothringen and Elsass are full of Germans, German Cities, German typical Food and even typical german Bakery-Wares.
    Hungary alot of Austrian Culture, Food and Character from the Times of the Austrian Empire.

    Also i don't have my informations of other websites, i write in here what i experienced on my own throught traveling through Europe, except Hungary, but that's what i know from Documentaries and alot of people who were there.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Hungary, Parts of France and Northern Italy are influenced because they were a Part of either German or Austrian Empire.
    South Tyrol would be a good example...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    South Tyrol would be a good example...
    That's one of the Parts in Northern Italy i'm refering too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    That's one of the Parts in Northern Italy i'm refering too.




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    South Tyrol is Germanic and was actually annexed by Italy after the First Worldwar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    South Tyrol is Germanic and was actually annexed by Italy after the First Worldwar.
    Yes, and again after World War 2. And before it was just italian, and not german. But that would lead nowhere to discuss who was first there and who has the most Influence in this Part.

    Lothringen and Elsass also was german but annexed 2 times by France after World War 1 and after World War 2.

    But we are talking about Germanic Influence yet, and now these countries are not german anymore but the Traditions stay germanic




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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    South Tyrol would be a good example...
    A good example for Germanic influences? I prefer to say that it is a Germanic country which has been colonialised by a non-Germanic land, end of story. It would be like saying that Estonia was a country with a Finnic influence, and was especially so during its membership of the USSR, just because the Russians had conquered them unrightfully and then moved enough of their population in to make the indigenous population only a 2/3 majority up to this date. (Estonia: 68% Estonian, 32% Russian).



    (Here one also has to bear in mind that the "Others" refers quite obviously to foreigners ... their kids usually don't go to German-speaking schools: 15.2% of Italian-speaking schools are foreign kids, only 3.8% of German-speaking schools are foreign kids.

    Before it was handed to Italy as a result of Versailles and Saint Germain, it was only 4% Italian-speaking, with the remaining population being the 4% Ladin-speaking people, and 92% German-speaking. And since then the culture has not shifted at all. Sure one has a fair share of colonialism going on in the way that pizzerias, gelaterias and cafeterias and all kinds of Italian life have been integrated into the region ... however, the cultures mix very slowly. A main reason for this is the fact that it is compulsory for German and Ladin speakers to learn Italian, but not vice versa, as well as the fact that the population pattern of Italians in South Tyrol closely resembles that of Turks in Germany - over 80% of them live in the largest cities:

    Bozen (German)/Bolzano (Italian)/Bulsan (Ladin) - 26%/73%/1% of 101.000
    Meran/Merano/Meran - 51.5/48/0.5 of 35.000
    Brixen/Bressanone/Persenon - 73/26/1 of 19.000
    Leifers/Laives/Laives - 29/70.5/0.5 of 15.500
    Bruneck/Brunico/Bornech - 83/15/2 of 14.500
    Eppan a. d. Weinstraße/Appiano sulla Strada del Vino/Eppan - 87/12.5/0.5 of 13.000

    In Bozen, Mussolini moved his 70.000 from Calabria in, but in most other occasions it is mainly Venetians who pass over. Another area which is unnaturally colonised as it were is the area around Sterzing/Vipiteno right in the north ... where a lot of Italians that leave Austria or Germany again settle, as well as a lot of former customs officers.

    Believe me I've been there very often, was even once romantically involved with a young lady of the German-speaking population of S.T. and yes, it is a heresy to say that it is only of Germanic influence. As opposed to Alsace-Lorraine where the German dialect is slowly dying out and the German customs are slowly being pushed aside, the Southern Tyrolese have been able to cling onto their customs and language extremely well ... Sure they were always a little difference to us Northern Tyrolese due to their climate which allowed them to grow wine and apples en masse, but they're definitely part of us.

    Also they know where they belong - unlike any other German area outwith the current German-speaking countries, they actually want to be back with us ... opinion polls have it that if there was a referendum, only about 30% of German and Ladin speakers would want to remain with Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Believe me I've been there very often, was even once romantically involved with a young lady of the German-speaking population of S.T. and yes, it is a heresy to say that it is only of Germanic influence. As opposed to Alsace-Lorraine where the German dialect is slowly dying out and the German customs are slowly being pushed aside, the Southern Tyrolese have been able to cling onto their customs and language extremely well ... Sure they were always a little difference to us Northern Tyrolese due to their climate which allowed them to grow wine and apples en masse, but they're definitely part of us.
    Oh I agree completely. I wasn't necessarily trying to say that it only possesses Germanic influence, just that it is a good example of a state that has nominally been under Italian political control in history (and has clear Germanic traits). Historically for this reason its Germanic character has been a source of much debate -- it was a clear issue during the 1920's/1930's between the NSDAP and the Italian government, for example...

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