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    Human Attraction to Lesser Beliefs

    Something I'd like to address is the attraction most modern people (particularly youth) seem to have to weak ideologies such as Socialism, White Power (if you could call it one) and of course Communism. In my opinion these "ideologies" tend to attract particularly naive and scornful people, who some way or another blame everything wrong with their lives on a group and take little account for their own actions. Perhaps this is why they're drawn to this?

    Besides that, the reason I refer to these as lesser beliefs is because they give power to the weakling one way or another. Please give your opinion and I will post mine further along.
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    Well yes, it's always easier to say "someone else should do something for me" than "I should do something for myself"
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    Let's cover the current state and what would attract people to these ideals. I'd like to hear opinions on this before I post my very long winded one.
    "For the authentic revolutionary conservative, what really counts is to be faithful not to past forms and institutions, but rather to principles of which such forms and institutions have been particular expressions, adequate for a specific period of time and in a specific geographical area." Julius Evola - Men Among the Ruins

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    It is their way to rebel, as teenagers love so much to do. Thats about it, in my opinion. I am sure many of us on this forum followed such ideologies before we opened our eyes, so to speak. In depth analyzation of a stance is not something I think most people are capable of, hence why they flock to such childish and subversive "utopian" ideologies like Communism, Anarchism, Socialism, Liberalism, etc. I think they give power in that they place all people, even these Naive childish teenagers as equals to their social superiors, which is a total falsehood. Also a matter of pride, in my opinion. And as our friend Nietzsche says:

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    As someone who has been a communist I can describe in detail what attracted me to it.

    Basically, it had an answer for everything. If there was a problem, there was some genuinely intellectually challenging abstract text on why that problem existed. There was this whole complicated theology of why's and how's and what's that meant that - if you studied hard enough, if you applied these methods intellectually then you could answer anything. In fact, it was remarkably like some schools of Christianity in that regard. I wasn't really looking for a political ideology, I wanted a religion, but in my young rebelliousness I didn't want to admit religion was what I yearned for so I chose communism which is a religion that pretends its something else.

    I only stopped being a communist through a very painful process akin to someone losing their faith which was triggered by many little things but especially I read an article by Adorno explaining why one couldn't be a communist and yet agree with Nietzsche on various points, and I read it and it was very very convincing - and he was trying to explain why Nietzsche was wrong and communism was right but for me it was like an epiphany, Nietzsche was right and it was communism that was wrong.

    But for a long time before that I had fought what I felt was right because I thought that feelings must be deceptive things, they disagreed with the perfect abstract system that explained everything. After that I decided to trust my feelings and I am willing to be responsible for that, if my feelings are wrong and it means I do wrong things I am willing to suffer the consequences, but I am not going to ignore them and constantly fight against them because I don't believe they're wrong.

    I always when I was a communist resented the antinationalist aspect. I never really understood internationalism, because how can you, I don't understand these far off countries. I thought people who spent all their time campaigning for things in other countries rather than sorting out our problems at home were idiots, but that's all people seemed to do. And I thought that the whole distinction between the nationalism of the oppressor and the oppressed (making it ok to support nationalists in third world countries but not in the uk) was mad because at home too our culture and our people were oppressed, maybe they weren't as poor but they had as much reason to fight against international capital. I didn't see what was so wrong with promoting it from that perspective, but I never really talked about it because no-one was really coming from the same place as me. All the other communists seemed to be people who basically wanted to volunteer at oxfam but seem like a rebel at the same time.

    But I actually really hated what was happening to society and was moved by the idea of creating a new world and solving "the problem of philosophy". I despised moralistic communists, for me it was about glory and rebirth not "starving kids in africa". I guess I was just... looking for any tool I could find to break down a world that I thought was too corrupted to be worth saving so I could build something new.
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    When I was a commie/liberal, it really cracks down to the fact that I didn't know any better. I didn't know any better than to trust statements without support. I didn't know any better than to not delve into things for myself and to scrape out every cranny of the world for the information it has available. I didn't know any better than to apply unnatural thoughts and methods to the Natural world. I didn't know any better way to make myself feel progressive, like I was doing the right thing, like I was necessary. I didn't have anything to rebel against at that point, my parents were so politically lax that either way I went on any issue would have seemed just as fine to them. I didn't grow up in poverty. The man, or men, has never kept me down. So, with all of the typicals discounted, I had one thing to rebel against: the fabricated enemy. Heterosexual, white, Christian men are as evil as it can get, according to the media and rhetoric of our society. And damn, I was surrounded by them. I was dealing with any number of emotional issues at the time. It was nice to avoid the real problem and to throw my anger at the "privileged". However more privileged than I someone could be if they were male and Christian, that is.

    When I was "White Power", I still never reached quite as low as some do. I had found someone new to throw my anger at, to refer to as "the problem". Surprisingly, it wasn't ever the Jews or the blacks or Mexicans or homosexuals. I became severely angry at "white trash", race-mixers, whores, drug users, those who in terms of my upbringing were considered "uncouth". It was more convenient than being angry at myself for the little things I couldn't do.

    I'm a much happier person, now. Probably because I don't need a scapegoat and I don't need anyone to blame for issues that arise in my life. It's a lot easier to see the world when you aren't always looking for faults.

    It took me a while to understand that when I saw something lacking within myself, that there wasn't some social conspiracy to blame. So, I'm not angry with white people anymore. Not the rich ones in the houses on the hills (well, the higher hills...), and not the ones in the trailor parks and the slums. Although, I still do have an inclination toward my own, fellow, upper-middle white community.
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    I am a socialist myself and do believe in that but you should not confuse the very broad idea of socialism with this atheist religion of marxism with its heterogenous sects. I am also against using particular groups as scapegoats but rather character traits most people have and they should kept under control. Of course, I dislike some groups but there's no universal and absolute enemy in my ideology. Furthermore, I am highly advocating undogmatic utopian ideologies because only on the neverending way to utopia we can find constant improvements and won't fall into the abyss of consumerism so quickly.

    To answer the question what is attractive about communism is simple. Humans look for a kind of equality (scientic proves exist) and have an antipathy against blatant injustices so they look for something to these problems. Communism gives them a possible and easy solution. However, when people age they usually realise that the idealised notion of the working class propagated in communism is incompatible with reality. The exploited in our world do hardly try to revolt in a serious way. The oppressed worker studying political theory after a 8 hours day is a myth and has never existed in significant numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Well yes, it's always easier to say "someone else should do something for me" than "I should do something for myself"
    I totally agree. You could extend that to many, many other paths, including and in fact especially the more dogmatic religious ones. In this day and age people prefer it if there is always an answer, if the path is set, if they are told how to think instead of doing something themselves. Typical sheep mentality that'd be ... if it's restrictive and they're told what to do, then they won't have to do the hard work to find out themselves.

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    Robert Nozick posed the question in his Anarchy, State and Utopia, why are so many supposedly free-minded youths attracted to the most illiberal forms of leftism? I'd love to know the answer to that. Although I'd relish for there to be more libertarians (by this I mean the real thing), I do derive an odd satisfaction from the fact that we are so few in number.

    Then again, I have never been a socialist; I started out as a monarchist.

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    I will add more to this thread before I head to bed.

    My opinion of what draws them to these views is the general simplicity and also the feeling of power/heroism/superiority they gain when they become a part of this ideology. For instance a Communist becomes the defender of the working class, a hero for the masses in their own mind. A Socialist becomes a crusader for "social justice", whilst a White Power type becomes a "race warrior" with diluded ideas of his/her own grandeur and heroism.

    Now besides that these ideologies are seemingly created for the lowest common denominator another problem I have with these is the martyr complex this entails, like the examples I just gave. Why do you think this is? I believe the answer could either be in the passion and naivety of youth, or simply because it is a way for someone to seemingly ascend the rest in their own train of thought. They no longer are judged as the person, merely just another individual among the ranks, which may be comforting to them.

    I believe the reason why Communism has become a lot more attractive within Liberal societies has to do with very vague humanistic values. Within these guidelines the distinction between individual (one of many) and a person seem to be completely forgotten. This could be due to years of Liberal brainwashing where we unknowingly denigrate the person in favor of the individual, they're practically seen as the same thing whilst we completely ignore the difference. I also think it is just another case of "social justice" gone overboard, and Liberalism can be seen as the predecessor of Communism in regards to this, Liberalism can be the foundation, of which Socialism grows into Communism. The reason why I believe it inevitably leads to this is because we often flirt with the notion of "equality", through equality we are all individuals with the same qualities and rights, how can this not be seen as undervaluing each persons unique characteristics, personality, strength and weakness? Liberalism gives the perfect setting for Communism to grow.

    Communism claims to reject materialism but is in itself materialistic. Everything is an artificial struggle in this soulless ideology, just the notion that every hardship has been based around material wealth gives this impression. It has no spiritual integrity and no common goal, no sense of nationhood, merit and distinction, it is a directionless and synthetic struggle and aim and has no order as the principles of ranking and hierarchy realistically would be dissolved.

    "White Power" from what I have seen seems to grow out of lower class (not just economic) people who are merely reacting to their surroundings, they tend to feel disheartened and scornful of society and see no constructive way around this. Some I think will stem from not being connected with their culture due to Liberal agendas within the countries they inhabit along with retaliation to Socialist and Democratic "equality". Due to their feeling of being alienated from society and being isolated from their culture I think they in a sense create their own culture, which encompasses fellow dissenters forming into a pack which is simply there to rebel against everything considered the norm today, like a polar to Anarchists in the 70-80's.

    I'm too tired to add any more currently, feel free to reply and we can go from there.
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