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Thread: Your Opinions on Nietzsche's Overman (Übermensch)

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    Post The Concept of Übermensch

    Do you consider the concept of übermensch (as described by Nietszche) only applyable to the germanic peoples?
    That people breed with those they find attractive within their own ethnic population is all the eugenics I think is necessary. - Milesian

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    Post Re: The Concept of Übermensch

    It's a Germanic concept, but I see no reason why other peoples can't adhere to it. In fact, Nietzsche himself wasn't too fond of the Germanic world and seemed to prefer ancient Rome and Greece, and, of the peoples of his time, the French (who are only partially Germanic).

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    Post Re: The Concept of Übermensch

    No, since the concept is about the overcoming of oneself, anyone could theoretically become an Übermensch. But it requires intellect and some willpower to be interested in it, so most (all?) Negroes and most southern Orientals will not do it. From what I've read, Nietzsche has the most popularity among Germanics and Jews.

    Incidentally, some Eastern philosophies have similar concepts (Tantrism has the concepts of Kaulas and Vîras, and the Samurai would probably have been seen as approaching the Ûbermensch by Nietzsche).

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    Post Re: The Concept of Übermensch

    Hell no. Where would one get such an idea? The idea of Übermensch is realisable by practically anyone, though usually whites/Europeans are those best suited for it. I agree that the Samurai approximate it to a fairly high degree as well.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Is the concept of the Superman something to be desired, rejected or something that we should dread?


    Overman is prehaps a more accurate translation of ubermensch. I generally rely on the "Will To Power" over "Thus Spake Zarathustra" as Nietzsche's ideas are not watered down in the former. In The Will to Power, Nietzsche makes it clear that the Overman is simply him who wields the most power over as many human beings as possible-who's will to power is unrestrained by law, morality, pity. The overman already lived; his name was Adolf Hitler.
    Last edited by Modern Benoni; Wednesday, November 10th, 2004 at 04:51 AM.

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Benoni
    Is the concept of the Superman something to be desired, rejected or something that we should dread?


    Overman is prehaps a more accurate translation of ubermensch. I generally rely on the "Will To Power" over "Thus Spake Zarathustra" as Nietzsche's ideas are not watered down in the former. In The Will to Power, Nietzsche makes it clear that the Overman is simply him who wields the most power over as many human beings as possible-who's will to power is unrestrained by law, morality, pity. The overman already lived; his name was Adolf Hitler.
    "Overman" is the literal but I would argue not the best translation.Literalism should be avoided in translation work.
    I find the naked use/abuse/craving for power in itself to be un-Aryan. Is this really what Nietzsche had in mind?
    What think you of the Evolian concept?

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Benoni
    Is the concept of the Superman something to be desired, rejected or something that we should dread?


    Overman is prehaps a more accurate translation of ubermensch. I generally rely on the "Will To Power" over "Thus Spake Zarathustra" as Nietzsche's ideas are not watered down in the former. In The Will to Power, Nietzsche makes it clear that the Overman is simply him who wields the most power over as many human beings as possible-who's will to power is unrestrained by law, morality, pity. The overman already lived; his name was Adolf Hitler.
    Isn't it the Will to Power-compilation that was made by Nietzsches sister after he was dead, and that is generally regarded as not being authentic?

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    Isn't it the Will to Power-compilation that was made by Nietzsches sister after he was dead, and that is generally regarded as not being authentic?
    Before his mental collapse, Nietzsche was planning to write The Will to Power: A Revaluation of All Values.

    Suffice it to say, Hitler was not the putative Superman: He was not despair-defying; he didn't embrace the earth; he was petulant and tempestuous; he didn't live 'experimentally'; he wasn't the type to find solace in a sunset (...). Hardly Dionysian...

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    Before his mental collapse, Nietzsche was planning to write The Will to Power: A Revaluation of All Values.

    Suffice it to say, Hitler was not the putative Superman: He was not despair-defying; he didn't embrace the Earth; he was petulant and tempestuous; he didn't live 'experimentally'; he wasn't the type to find solace in a sunset (...). Hardly Dionysian...
    Nietzsche`s idea of the Uebermensch is so difficult to assume.Perhaps the Evolian concept is more achieveable and rewarding?

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    Post Re: The Concept of the Superman[Nietzsche contra Evola]

    Quote Originally Posted by AryanKrieger
    Nietzsche`s idea of the Uebermensch is so difficult to assume.Perhaps the Evolian concept is more achieveable and rewarding?
    IMHO Nietzsche was more of a poet and a visionary than a builder of systems. The Evolian concept is much clearer (at the same time it is deeply connected to Evolas view on the metaphysical and the afterlife, so an atheist will have little use for Evola's promises of immortality). Nietzsche can act as a balance to Evola though, because Evolas emphasis on detachment at times borders on the unhealthy. There is a nihilist mysticism in Nietzsche, the Dionysian aspect of his thought, that is lacking in Evola. Probably the two authors are good for different people.

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