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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbionMP View Post
    But....,there are no similarities.
    There are similarities in the sense of practical application, just like there is also a similarity between Maoism or Juche and national-socialism in the sense of practical application.

    Nevertheless, Germanic tribalism is the exact oposite of Jewish tribalism on many levels as I stated before. Therefore, the ideology of zionism itself is very different from the ideology of national-socialism, just like the ideologies of Maoism and Juche (based on Marx and Lenin) are very different from the ideology of national-socialism.

    Many people have problems distinguishing an ideology from the practical application of the ideology. That's why I'd like to stress this distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    There are similarities in the sense of practical application, just like there is also a similarity between Maoism or Juche and national-socialism in the sense of practical application.

    Nevertheless, Germanic tribalism is the exact oposite of Jewish tribalism on many levels as I stated before. Therefore, the ideology of zionism itself is very different from the ideology of national-socialism, just like the ideologies of Maoism and Juche (based on Marx and Lenin) are very different from the ideology of national-socialism.

    Many people have problems distinguishing an ideology from the practical application of the ideology. That's why I'd like to stress this distinction.
    It's not much to do with 'ideology', but rather more to with the Nature of the people!

    Jews will support Zionism if there is just material profit to be made!

    Germans will support NS if it means building something Naturally fantastic, like a Nation.

    It's all down to the Nature of the people.

    Nature is the key!

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    I find no disagreement here. Please try to understand that all I wanted to do with my post was to illustrate why some people regard national-socialism and zionism as very similar while others regard it as exact oposites. In a sense, it's just a matter of perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    In a sense, it's just a matter of perspective.
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I believe our ancestors settled in lands where other people lived, when the Germanic tribes spread to Southern Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, they were not uninhabited. And what about when they spread to America, Australia? Germanics were conquerors, they built empires. Jews are conquerors as well. Why hold a double standard? Should we move from our lands too, just because other settlers were there before us? Besides, if Jews cannot have Israel, they will migrate to your countries in Europe, but you don't want that either
    The difference is we didn't try to claim a moral absolute right and claim we are the "Chosen". We did it because we had the power to do it. Israel doesn't, it uses cowardly tactics and lies to expand its empire. Germanics never bothered with this.

    And as far as this "freedom loving" Germanic spirit goes, get real. The greatest Germanic empires were Monarchies or Authoritarian. It does not mean they aren't free (unless you have the typical American idea of "free", free to do useless things), they were quite free. So free these aforementioned states had people willing to fight and die to protect that freedom, true freedom. Freedom from the morality of cowards and from deceit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    re: China/Germany/population policies
    Germany had a policy of expanding population, and cited the French failure, because that was written at the end of an era in history in which power for a nation was achieved by building massive armies and hurling them at eachother, the country with the larger army generally won, WWI was the last of these wars, and WWII was somewhat in this category as well. Mao believed in this as well, as under him he used human wave attacks to repel the technologically superior US forces from Northern Korea and force a stalemate and maintain the division of Korea. Since the development and wide use of the internal combustion engine and mass production, national power has been a result of industrial base and technology, so China's policies (including their population policy) were adjusted as a result of technological changes. If Germany had won WWII, it is likely they would have had to make similar adjustments to their population policy, especially since they were smaller, even if they had kept the land they took over in eastern Europe and gotten rid of all the previous inhabitants they would still be smaller than China.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    They invited Russians who were 1/64 jewish or so.
    So why do they have Ethiopians? You can't claim they are a race based state, and at the same time thy allow Ethiopians in, no matter how welcome they are
    You have to be at least 1/4 jewish to move to Israel by law. Some have snuck in by lying, others have been let in to work as cheap labor but are treated as 2nd class citizens.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    what are the rules of marrying a Jew? Is it forbidden that an American marries a female Jew? A male Jew a female American?
    It's all racial. Jews may only marry other jews, regardless of geographic origin. Additionally, there is a certain core of jews which are the leaders called the Cohenim, which are only allowed to marry this other certain type of jews. If Jews are a religion and not a race, why then are there 'atheist jews'?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    This was about military conflict. Which is essentially life threatening, while NS always followed the idea of Großraumwirtschaft economically. I asked about economic conflict.
    Isn't it the same, especially in the modern era? Both Germany in the 1930s and China today need some manner of peace from the rest of the world while they build up their industrial base. China in particular must do this because they did not have the technology and industrial base that Germany had in 1932.


    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Traditionally, Germanics are warrior-farmers. They are peaceful farmers who will settle in other lands when their own lands no longer suffice and they will only use violence to defend themselves. When stumbling on native populations as they move to different territories, they try to live in their own communities besides those of the native populations and not wipe them out or oppress them.
    Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. South Africa and Rhodesia are the 2 main places they didn't, and we see how well that worked out for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    The difference is we didn't try to claim a moral absolute right and claim we are the "Chosen".
    Actually we did-you would not be living in California today except for the idea of 'Manifest Destiny', which meant that the Germanic founders of the US had a god-annointed destiny to expand accross the continent. Additionally, the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa and the Southern Baptist Church in the southeastern US gave religious justification to the racial lines established in those societies, and the end of this coincided with the collapse of these societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post

    Actually we did-you would not be living in California today except for the idea of 'Manifest Destiny', which meant that the Germanic founders of the US had a god-annointed destiny to expand accross the continent.
    Oh no. No California with whites? I have no idea what that'd be like. eyes:
    And in the case of Manifest Destiny, it wasn't exactly a Germanic idea. Every Colonial empire, beginning with Portugal, did it. The U.S. just did it the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Additionally, the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa and the Southern Baptist Church in the southeastern US gave religious justification to the racial lines established in those societies, and the end of this coincided with the collapse of these societies.
    Again, not a Germanic idea or mindset IMO. We all know why they did it, because it was the proper thing to do, not because some Deity told them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    We all know why they did it, because it was the proper thing to do, not because some Deity told them to.
    Similar to most other religious beliefs-those with a long term view of society's survival encode their guidance as religious beliefs, since this is the best way to get the masses to go along with it
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    The Jewish Task Force

    If you are interested in Jewish-Israeli Nationalism then this is the website you want to read:

    www.jtf.org - Superb Kahanist movement based between Israel and America. Has support from pro-Zionist 'gentiles' and Kahanist Jews, and also secular non-religion Zionists.

    Also of interest may be this grouping:

    http://www.hazit.co.il/Default.aspx?tabid=322

    I am totally in favour of a more nationalistic form of Zionism. The Israelis must overthrow their Bolshevist-Stalinist goverment and I strongly believe that European nationalists should co-operate with such an effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Traditionally, Germanics are warrior-farmers. They are peaceful farmers who will settle in other lands when their own lands no longer suffice and they will only use violence to defend themselves. When stumbling on native populations as they move to different territories, they try to live in their own communities besides those of the native populations and not wipe them out or oppress them.
    Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. South Africa and Rhodesia are the 2 main places they didn't, and we see how well that worked out for them.
    After the Rothschilds gained control of the British economy due to their trade market scam of 1815, the British political agenda merged with the Jewish agenda. This was the era of Jewish politicians such as Benjamin D'Israeli, of propaganda organisations such as British-Israel movement and of intermarriages between impovrished English arristocrats and rich bourgeois Jews.

    As such, the Social Darwinist exploitation of that era was clearly inspired by Jewish scripture and completely alien to Germanic nature. Even though Anglo-Saxons such as Cecil Rhodes and colonel House had a big role to play, the very top of the food chain was Jewish.

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