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Thread: What Should Be the Punishment for Animal Cruelty?

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    As for a vegan i think you can all know what my opinion is.

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    I have a dog and a cat. I love both . I love the independent nature of cats and their agility. I love the loyalty and social interaction of dogs.

    As a sponsor/donator/helper for the RSPCA and subsciber to the Humane Society , not surprisingly , my opinion is that people who are cruel to animals are cowards of the worst order. Sad , wretched individuals.

    I think the current sentencing of offenders is woeful ( I think the same with regards to humans too ) and would love to see much longer prison sentences dished out.

    I accept the necessary slaughter of animals for human consumption but fear that mass production , profit dependent methods have led to much unneccesary suffering here too.

    There is much work to be done , I feel. ( We still haven't managed to be humane with eachother yet )
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    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of extremists here.

    Animals are not beings. In my view, the reason cruelty to animals should be stopped is for the sake of humans. If one feeds his bloodlust on animals then it will likely lead to worse things; this is bad for him and bad for society.

    But to be cruel to fellow humans requires a far worse character. One can certainly have the propensity to enjoy torturing animals but not have the heart to do it to humans.

    But let me just say that I think the suggestion that severe penalties (such as death) for cruelty to animals, is absolutely preposterous! Some "greeny" types seem to have far less sympathy for fellow humans than for the beasts; quite perverse really, I mean, it's disturbed people who torture animals, but it's also disturbed people who have ideologies like this.

    Just because it might lead to serial murder or something doesn't mean you treat it the same; you don't punish crimes for what they might lead to, but for what they actually are.

    I think the current sentencing of offenders is woeful
    Well I think the harshness of some sentences these days for supposed animal cruelty is atrocious, and reflects a sick society The odd (or perhaps not so odd) thing is, the greenies' view of the value of human life seems to progress downward when their view of the value of animal life goes up. They tend to be the ones most eager for abortion and euthanising the elderly or disabled. It's just perverse.

    I believe that, by definition, it's not possible to commit a crime against an animal, but torturing them is just a symptom of a more than usually perverse soul, and anyone is capable of becoming very evil. It's not as if there is a point where you can say, "He's disturbed, he needs to be killed or locked up before he becomes criminal"; there are degrees of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of extremists here.
    Rhydderch , many people ( myself more than any other probably ) seem like extremists from your perspective. We are animal lovers with a great respect for the creatures of nature. I don't see why this is such a problem for you. Live and let live , eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of extremists here.
    Animals are not beings.
    Eh? They 'be'!
    I find this the most arrogant and absurd way of thinking. I used to have lots of arguments with my Catholic Grandmother on this point.
    But to be cruel to fellow humans requires a far worse character. One can certainly have the propensity to enjoy torturing animals but not have the heart to do it to humans.
    So people can happily do horrendous things to a dog, with it looking at them through its very similar to human eyes, and yet still be very kind and loving of humans? I find that incredibly difficult to believe.
    Just because it might lead to serial murder or something doesn't mean you treat it the same; you don't punish crimes for what they might lead to, but for what they actually are.
    That can be a topic for debate. When we're on the low swing of the Law and Order cycle, maybe such an attitude has its place.
    I believe that, by definition, it's not possible to commit a crime against an animal, but torturing them is just a symptom of a more than usually perverse soul, and anyone is capable of becoming very evil.
    A crime is merely something that is recognised as unacceptable, and thus punishable, by a society. How does animal cruelty not qualify. Fraud or tax evasion is a crime, but doesn't actually cause any pain to a human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of extremists here.

    Animals are not beings.
    No? My then 8 week-old pup forewarned us when she knew my year-old daughter was ready to walk down to a creek at a holiday house we were staying at. We lost sight of our child only for a moment, as we were packing the car to go home. First time we heard her bark, so we knew something was up!

    If animals aren't beings, how the hell do they know to react in situations that save people's lives?

    Our dog is still with us 12 years later, as is my daughter. I have a lot to thank our pooch for. I have read a lot of dribble on this forum, but I've gotta confess, this one surely takes the cake!! :
    Dick Dastardly: "MUTTLEY, DO SOMETHING!!!!"
    Muttley: "Hehehehehehehehehe"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of extremists here.

    Animals are not beings. In my view, the reason cruelty to animals should be stopped is for the sake of humans.
    Anthropocentism like this is one of the biggest problems I have with the Church. Your views are very Christian and I mean no offence Rhydderch, because I usually enjoy your contributions on The Althing.
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    What??? Being is the state or quality of having existence. Animals exist and they feel pain just like us. Yes I am in favor of abortion or euthanasia. I am in favor of putting animals to sleep when they are sick too, not just humans. I believe there's a huge difference between euthanasia and animal cruelty!
    It's perverse to let these cruel sickos run free in our communities and have them turn into serial killers. Have you ever heard of a serial killer who liked animals? I believe I haven't. The death penalty is the only solution for such sick minds. No mercy.


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    I don't see why the death penalty is necessary still. What exactly are the parameters for this sentencing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I don't see why the death penalty is necessary still. What exactly are the parameters for this sentencing?
    I believe the death penalty is necessary because the people who torture animals are cruel and vicious. Why should we spare their lives is the real question.


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