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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    But there is always a fine line. Whereas I don't find the seal hunt to be cruel, others may.
    Seal hunt isn't cruel?!?! I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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    You know what's also cruel? Systematically allowing every single traditional industry in a province to be banned, and its people to be starved to death.

    A slaughterhouse looks no different. This shows an older method of hunting seals (with the hook), but most hunters these days use something called a rifle.

    edit: And I think you don't know what you're talking about. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    You know what's also cruel? Systematically allowing every single traditional industry in a province to be banned, and its people to be starved to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    A slaughterhouse looks no different. This shows an older method of hunting seals (with the hook), but most hunters these days use something called a rifle.
    From what I understand, clubs are preferred instead of rifles because rifles damage the skin.

    Anyway, my problems with the seal hunt are mostly :
    • the methods used (the club)
    • the age of the average seal that is killed (less than 3 months old)
    • the meat being wasted
    • the fact that the seal hunt is completely irrelevant for anything but the vanity of a few right people
    • the fact that all these puppies are slaughtered right in front of their families
    That being said, I don't exactly support the methods used by slaughterhouses either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    [*]the methods used (the club)
    I don't recall you ever mentioning you are vegetarian or vegan... the same methods are used in slaughtering animals.

    [*]the age of the average seal that is killed (less than 3 months old)
    Where is this statistic? As far as I know they kill mostly adult seals. There isn't a lot of skin on baby seals, nor is there a lot of meat.

    [*]the meat being wasted
    Sorry, I had to lol at this. These people who hunt, their families eat seal. A lot of families in the communities that seal hunt eat purely seal as their protein intake. Of course, I know nothing of it, right?

    [*]the fact that the seal hunt is completely irrelevant for anything but the vanity of a few right people
    Double lol. It's used to sustain communities. Do you want to pay welfare to these people because they have nothing left? These people eat the seals. I don't know where you're getting your information from.. bleeding heart environmentalists with lots of money who have no idea about the economy of Newfoundland..

    [*]the fact that all these puppies are slaughtered right in front of their families
    No, mostly bull seals are slaughtered, as I have heard. I can see no reason in slaughtering the pups, it's not economically viable.

    That being said, I don't exactly support the methods used by slaughterhouses either.
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    I don't see any difference between pigs&cattle and seals&dolphins. They are killed to be used for consumation of their body parts. The only difference is that the latter is oh so cruel because the animals are usually perceived as cute.

    PS: I'm still waiting for Sealclubbing to come out for Wii
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    Ostracism (i.e. exile)/social exclusion is as good as any means for dealing with those who abuse animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Ostracism (i.e. exile)/social exclusion is as good as any means for dealing with those who abuse animals.
    I don't think it would really be of much use, as it's quite easy these days to survive, and carry on in your deviant behaviour, without the support of or connection to society. Many involved in this sort of thing aren't exactly their community's most active and valued members anyway. I think severe punishments are fully justified in this case, and agree with Mischak in equating it to abuse of children or the elderly, as the key thing here is sadism towards the vulnerable. Absolutely dishonorable.

    As for the seals, I hope we can draw a distinction between those who kill the odd seal and then cart it off to eat it, and those who slaughter tens of pups at a time in the one place, leaving the skinned corpses for the mothers to look at. That's just sick, and there's little I wouldn't do to someone who thought that was acceptable.

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    Depends on how cruelty or neglect is defined. While I love animals, I don't believe animal life is equal to human life at all, so I'm not against killing animals for food or clothing (though it should be done as humanely as possible). I'm not against testing chemicals on animals (or on certain humans for that matter). And I don't think a person should be executed for kicking a dog, or not building a good enough dog house for it (an act which is defined by some animal protection agencies as neglect), etc. Deliberate acts of torture against an animal are a clear sign a person is abnormal and criminally inclined, they should at least be sterilized and depending on the magnitude of their crimes either be locked away for a long time or put to death.

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    Depends what's defined as animal cruelty. Some will say pre-serial killer torturing of animals is but others will say killing an animal (for food, resources, etc.) is animal cruelty.

    The ones that torture animals should be punished but when you kill them for food there isn't a problem there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolved View Post
    Depends on how cruelty or neglect is defined. While I love animals, I don't believe animal life is equal to human life at all, so I'm not against killing animals for food or clothing (though it should be done as humanely as possible)
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