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    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    And yes, believe it or not, they were socialist revolutionaries. Look up the revolution of 1848.
    "They primarily demanded freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, arming of the people and a national German parliament."

    No, that isn't socialistic at all. eyes:
    I'm not sure what you mean by socialist here, but censorship of politically incorrect ideas and arrests for those who formed assemblies contrary to socialist politics were the rule in socialist states, freedoms on the contrary are limited. I lived in a politically socialist state as a child. So I guess that hmm, I'll choose not to believe it. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Where have I ignored the part about the Allies? It takes two to wage a war. The Allies attacked and bombed Germany which I have not ignored, you are missing the point here too. My point was about Adolf Hitler, often so revered by neonazis and neonazi sympathizers.
    Those Books are not about the Allies bombing and attacking Germany. They're about War Guilt, Peace Treaties and what Persons wanted War.

    Wouldn't damage you to read them.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    No it isn't. That isn't the intent behind the design.
    Pff - you are the expert for German history or what? It IS the intention behind that.
    I hate to link to wikipedia, but I am busy right now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_German_Confederation
    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Prussian monarchies power fell well before German unification. The kings of Prussia were merely figureheads for bureaucratic leaders like Bismark.
    This is not the issue here, I asked whether Prussia was a monarchy or not. It was. How it was organized is not the point here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Thats a new one. Where did you hear that? It was dissolved because it was about to be conquered, not because Napoleon would have taken the title (which was impossible under HRE law).
    It's only new to people that have no clue about German history. Napoleon wanted to be the new Charlemagne and to unite the crowns of France and the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation. Of course he wanted to have the crown from Francis II, Holy Emperor, he dissolved the Empire and made himself Emperor of Imperium Austriacum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Plenty. A strong move towards egalitarianism and liberalism, and an attempt to put the nobility at the feet of the peasantry. The first step of liberalism.
    I am not opposed to civil rights - I am fed up being treated as subject and labelled "non-migrant". Does this make me a liberal or a socialist? I have some respect for oldschool liberals.
    They fought against an unjust political order that is similar to today's "liberal-democracy".
    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Because they actually represented what they stood for. Now the artificial, modern flag represents an artificial, modern pseudo-nation. Seems fitting to me. But to associate this flag with a legitimate state is insulting.
    Black stands for black gun powder, red for blood and gold for honour. Surely not what the FRG represents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geribeetus View Post
    Why are they unacceptable? If Germany was to ever be founded on legitimate principles, 20th century taboos wouldn't make the slightest difference.
    I am southern German, why should I accept the flag of the North German Federation? Or an dictatorship I oppose?

    I like this one:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...20080627185442

    and this one most:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cb/De1919w.gif

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskriegsflagge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    It would be a pleasant experience if Germans would start to have a clue about their homeland.
    As long as Germans learn their history classes in the FRG, it will never happen and it is MORE than obvious on this forum.

    That's not the whole truth, at the beginning of the war they were outnumbered as well but won. Germany lost because of an irrational and bloodthirsty imperialist policy.
    You sound like the multiculturals indoctrinated by the FRG with guilt trips about the war. Germany was not "bloodthirsty", the war started because Germany wanted to recover GERMAN territories which Poland had occupied.

    He knew the war was lost in 1943, yet he gave orders to fight on and sent millions into a sensless death.
    What would you have expected, to surrender to the enemy? What is more honourable, fighting until death or surrendering yourself like a coward? There's only one answer for me.

    Pfff - this is the flag of an inferiour and now defunct bastard state.
    "Inferiour" to what? The xenophilic, anti-German, holocaustian FRG? It is the flag of MY former country which I am entitled to bear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Is it? When the GDR opened borders for a short period during sports events they let in many negroes - German female negrophilia made sure the GDR was blessed with many mongrels...
    A short period during sports event is nothing comparable to the xenophilic policy of the FRG which takes place 24/7, no special occasions needed. There are more foreigners in this city now than they were in the whole of the GDR.

    And if you have a look at the ruling elite of the GDR you won't find a word to describe this sort of decadence and corruption.
    Another one who has no clue about my former country. If anything, people like Honecker were the LEAST corrupt of all politicians. They didn't switch their politics like underwear going for whatever filled their pockets most. In the GDR our moral education was far superior to the garbage that is taught in the FRG and imported from the "superior" West. The GDR boycotted the garbage from the USA, the FRG and other Western countries promoting Western democracy models and historical guilt.

    FRG and GDR are are equallly worthless, the fact the FRG refuses to perish this soon makes it the greater danger for us.
    If they were equally worthless than this nonsense from today would have been present in the GDR too, which it wasn't. You talk nonsense. The FRG is worthless because it has zero initiative of ethnic preservation, zero initiative to stop immigrants from coming in and zero initiative to stop Germans from fleeing to other countries to fill their pockets. Had the GDR been the whole of Germany, the number of foreigners today wouldn't have been what it is now.

    Schwarz-rot-gold enthusiasts will always be associated with the FRG as long as the FRG continues to exist, in the eyes of true German nationalists they will only be seen as mindless supporters of this disgusting regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Schwarz-rot-gold enthusiasts will always be associated with the FRG as long as the FRG continues to exist, in the eyes of true German nationalists they will only be seen as mindless supporters of this disgusting regime.
    I don't believe Second Reich flag-waving neonazis and skinheads should be counted as "true German nationalists".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    As long as Germans learn their history classes in the FRG, it will never happen and it is MORE than obvious on this forum.
    Well, this forum is a nice alternative to FRG indoctrination, won't you say?
    Here you can debate openly, which is absolutely not appreciated in classrooms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    You sound like the multiculturals indoctrinated by the FRG with guilt trips about the war.
    You sound like one these imperialists that love to conquer and subdue other people saying this was a good thing for mankind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Germany was not "bloodthirsty", the war started because Germany wanted to recover GERMAN territories which Poland had occupied.
    Since when was e.g. Warshaw lost German territory? Only igonrant peopel that have no clue about history say this war (WW2) was about recapturing lost soil. And have a look at the lost of human lifes - that's why I said "bloodthirsty".
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    What would you have expected, to surrender to the enemy?
    What else has to be done if a war is lost? To save what is remaining.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    What is more honourable, fighting until death or surrendering yourself like a coward? There's only one answer for me.
    So Hitler "fought" until his death or did he hide away in bunkers?
    What happened in may 8/9th 1945? Looks like an unconditional surrender to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    "Inferiour" to what? The xenophilic, anti-German, holocaustian FRG? It is the flag of MY former country which I am entitled to bear.
    An artificial entity on German soil, much like the FRG.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    A short period during sports event is nothing comparable to the xenophilic policy of the FRG which takes place 24/7, no special occasions needed. There are more foreigners in this city now than they were in the whole of the GDR.
    The reason why not much foreigners were let into the GDR was the economic crisis there, multiculturalism was heavily and successfully promoted by GDR'S footboys her ein the west, in order to destabilize the FRG so it can be taken over by a communst revolution easily at one point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Another one who has no clue about my former country. If anything, people like Honecker were the LEAST corrupt of all politicians.
    Of course, neither were Ulbricht and Mielke - yawn.
    And, of course, Honecker waited for his Trabant 12 years like others did, and did not drive around in a Volvo bought from his Swedish socialist brother nation...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    They didn't switch their politics like underwear going for whatever filled their pockets most. In the GDR our moral education was far superior to the garbage that is taught in the FRG and imported from the "superior" West. The GDR boycotted the garbage from the USA, the FRG and other Western countries promoting Western democracy models and historical guilt.
    Aha, there was no promotion of abortion in the GDR? What's with the lowest birth-rate in the world after Vatican State?
    The Polytechnic education as well as sports and arts were superiour in the GDR, but the fields you mention, the moral education, was as inexistent as it is here today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    If they were equally worthless than this nonsense from today would have been present in the GDR too, which it wasn't. You talk nonsense.
    Again, the GDR was well aware multicultural enrichment via colonization through foreign races would destroy teh GDR and overthrow the ruling, that's why it was promoted for the FRG, hoping this way would make it fall in their hands like an ripe apple.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    The FRG is worthless because it has zero initiative of ethnic preservation, zero initiative to stop immigrants from coming in and zero initiative to stop Germans from fleeing to other countries to fill their pockets.
    And, of course, it is never the Communists promoting this crap...eyes:
    GDR did not preserve the own population to preserve Germans resp. Germanics, they kept foreign influence low to avoid unrests and being overthrown. They did not expect to be overthrown anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Had the GDR been the whole of Germany, the number of foreigners today wouldn't have been what it is now.
    That might be true, but the main decadence like self-loathing would have remained.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Schwarz-rot-gold enthusiasts will always be associated with the FRG as long as the FRG continues to exist, in the eyes of true German nationalists they will only be seen as mindless supporters of this disgusting regime.
    You are a schwarz-rot-gold enthusiast it appears to me. Last time I checked these colours were abused by the GDR as well.

    BTW - this is the real flag of the FRG, the use of the colours black-red-golden by fatherland-traitors is abusive.


    What are true German nationalists? Those brownnosing a Soviet created entity on German soil? And what flag would you propose for a free and sovereign Germany?
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    I believe you should read the history of your country again, Ossi. If Hitler's Germany had limited itself to regaining lost territories it would have been another story. Hitler's ambition to enslave non-Germans was more than obvious when he occupied Czechoslovakia. Only the Sudetenland was German territory. Furthermore, Hitler and Stalin split Poland. Their intention to do so was present in the secret annexes to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. National Socialism and imperialism go hand in hand. Now it is the National Socialists who complain when the tables have turned and it is their country that is enslaved by neoconservative imperialism. You are being fed your own poison and thanks to National Socialism and its leader, millions of Germans have fallen victim to anti-preservation policies. You can "heil" your Führer for that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Well, this forum is a nice alternative to FRG indoctrination, won't you say?
    Here you can debate openly, which is absolutely not appreciated in classrooms.
    The majority of Germans here are indoctrinated with BRD/Western propaganda.

    An artificial entity on German soil, much like the FRG.
    I don't think this was ever denied here. Both Ossi and I support socialism as an ideology, in a genuine German state, not one established by foreigners. The DDR wasn't perfect, but that was because of the Russians, not because of socialism/national communism.

    The reason why not much foreigners were let into the GDR was the economic crisis there, multiculturalism was heavily and successfully promoted by GDR'S footboys her ein the west, in order to destabilize the FRG so it can be taken over by a communst revolution easily at one point.
    Like I said before, it's good if the state doesn't have a magnet economy for foreigners, its a direct protection against them. Capitalist economies promote themselves and seek cheap labour. It would have been good if the West was taken over by a communist revolution, because we wouldn't be having this crap in our country today.

    Of course, neither were Ulbricht and Mielke - yawn.
    Ulbricht was the corrupt during his final years, that's why he had to be replaced by Honecker. Mielke was a hero to German nationalism, he punished the traitors who conspired against the socialist state of the German nation. If only more people like him existed.

    And, of course, Honecker waited for his Trabant 12 years like others did, and did not drive around in a Volvo bought from his Swedish socialist brother nation...
    Leaders always have more things than the general population, show me one leader who lives in poverty.

    Aha, there was no promotion of abortion in the GDR? What's with the lowest birth-rate in the world after Vatican State?
    The Polytechnic education as well as sports and arts were superiour in the GDR, but the fields you mention, the moral education, was as inexistent as it is here today.
    The abortion politics was a mistake of the DDR, abortion shouldn't be allowed in a pro-German state, but like I said, the DDR wasn't perfect.

    Again, the GDR was well aware multicultural enrichment via colonization through foreign races would destroy teh GDR and overthrow the ruling, that's why it was promoted for the FRG, hoping this way would make it fall in their hands like an ripe apple.
    The BRD supported these things so the DDR was just stating the truth about them.

    You are indoctrinated with BRD propaganda and your theory that the German ethnicity should be divided in Slavs, Celts and others is evidence of your xenophilia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Mielke was a hero to German nationalism, he punished the traitors who conspired against the socialist state of the German nation. If only more people like him existed.
    I believe this would make a good signature quote to reveal the delusions of some members. It is only proof that National Communists are just as deluded and dogmatic as National Socialists.

    On his orders, and with his full knowledge, Stasi officers also engaged in arbitrary arrest, kidnapping, brutal harassment of political dissidents, and the inhumane imprisonment of tens of thousands of citizens.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Mielke

    Is this how a "Germanic nationalist hero" behaves, Bärin? It is on the contrary, ungermanic to persecute your Germanic citizens for ideological disagreement and for daring to think for themselves. That is why ideologies like National Communism and National Socialism with their anti-privacy organizations like the Stasi and Gestapo, are not an expression of the true Germanic spirit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    The majority of Germans here are indoctrinated with BRD/Western propaganda.
    Really? Interesting, could you bring some examples? Most Germans here are fans of obscure short-term dictatorships, liberalism is dominated by those living north and west of Germany, Brits and Americans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    I don't think this was ever denied here. Both Ossi and I support socialism as an ideology, in a genuine German state, not one established by foreigners.
    Ideologies are always bad. An all state run economy never can work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    The DDR wasn't perfect, but that was because of the Russians, not because of socialism/national communism.
    I say both elements contributed to it's downfall.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    Like I said before, it's good if the state doesn't have a magnet economy for foreigners, its a direct protection against them. Capitalist economies promote themselves and seek cheap labour. It would have been good if the West was taken over by a communist revolution, because we wouldn't be having this crap in our country today.
    Well, first of all the FRG is semi-socialitic at least, next is foreigners do not come here to seek jobs, they are brought in here as colonists to heterogenize Germany's population. A classic communist policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    Ulbricht was the corrupt during his final years, that's why he had to be replaced by Honecker. Mielke was a hero to German nationalism, he punished the traitors who conspired against the socialist state of the German nation. If only more people like him existed.
    What exactly did this vermin do good? They were petit Stalinists that stand stood for everything a German(ic) does not stand for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    Leaders always have more things than the general population, show me one leader who lives in poverty.
    So this is an excuse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    The abortion politics was a mistake of the DDR, abortion shouldn't be allowed in a pro-German state, but like I said, the DDR wasn't perfect.
    GRD was no pro-German state in the first place...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    The BRD supported these things so the DDR was just stating the truth about them.
    FRG funded GDR - same sh+t, different a$$holes...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    You are indoctrinated with BRD propaganda
    That's a jewel
    Can you link me just one phrase where I laudated this monstrosity of FRG?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin
    and your theory that the German ethnicity should be divided in Slavs, Celts and others is evidence of your xenophilia.
    The German ethnicity does not only consist of people of Germanic descent - like it or not - and surely you have not looked up what xenophilia means since accepting natives of other meta-ethnic heritge than mine has nothing to do with xenophilia.
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