View Poll Results: German Flag: Which is Your Favorite?

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  • Black-Red-Gold

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    33 42.31%
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Thread: The German Flag

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    About the German Flag

    I just want to ask, why here for the category "Deutsches Volk" the empire's flag is used, and not the official one?
    I personally can't really identify with that old flag, to me the german colors are black, red and gold.

    Even the old flag often makes a wrong impression, I think.

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    Re: The flag...

    Lot of history involved with the Schwarz weiß und rot. I could imagine for some that is the true 'official' German flag.

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    AW: The flag...

    Most of the German users here can't identify themselves with Black-Red-Yellow.

    Sorry for my bad english

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    AW: The flag...

    In this time I cannot identify myselve with the political Situation in Germany. I think that a National Flag stands for a Country, so Black-Red-Gold stands for all the things, we do not like in our Land.
    So we want to show that we are different than the rest of the Germans.
    So we use Black-White-Red flag.

    I am sorry for my bad English
    Last edited by Deutscher Junge; Saturday, August 12th, 2006 at 03:21 PM.

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    AW: The flag...

    "This sorry display of ignorance, incompetence, weakness, and indignity should suffice to discredit parliamentarism forever in Germany. Under the black-red-yellow banner, which has now become the everlasting symbol of folly, we witnessed a repetition of all the stupidities of 1848, when politics was likewise not action but empty talk and theorizing."

    Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism".--And he's only speeking of 1918/19, not of 1949!

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    AW: The flag...

    Quote Originally Posted by Himinbriot View Post
    I just want to ask, why here for the category "Deutsches Volk" the empire's flag is used, and not the official one?
    I personally can't really identify with that old flag, to me the german colors are black, red and gold.
    I'd say that under the Black/White/Red Flag germany had better and more honourable times. If you compare it to the times under the black/red/gold flag.
    Since the nowadays germany uses the Black/red/gold one you could even be ashamed of that flag. Because you have to be ashamed on how germany mutilates itself under that banner.

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    Re: The flag...

    what the German government has done to not only the fatherland itself but to the ethnic Germans is horrible. and all of this was done under the black,red,gold.the German government needs to pay reparations for all the brainwashing that it has done to so many germans by telling them that they cant be proud and that their people are not good.that stupid government and newspapers wonder why it has taken the riechsdeutsche so long to be proud, well you idiots have been telling them that they are not good people.all the while they have been letting in million of immigrants to dirty up the fathlerland and then they again wonder why Germany has such a high unemployment rate. i know Germans are some of the hardest if not the hardest workers on the planet. we volksdeutsche have contributed so much to america to make it prosperous as well as great.so i know my blood brothers in the Fatherland are in my heart and from what i have read a lot like me, only difference being they speak better German.

    i have the black red gold flag with the reichsadler in the middle, but i also have the schwarz wiess, rot, i feal more honor in my people and my culture in the schwarz wiess rot.

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    AW: Re: The flag...

    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutsche View Post
    i have the black red gold flag with the reichsadler in the middle, but i also have the schwarz wiess, rot, i feal more honor in my people and my culture in the schwarz wiess rot.
    I agree with that. The schwarz-rot-gold flag has been abused by the FRG as well as the GDR (whose flag sported the same colors), and before that by the Weimar republic. But at the same time it is a symbol of our national unity and freedom like you can see on this painting ("Germania") from the Germanic National Museum in Nürnberg that stands for the revolution of 1848:



    This is why many German nationalists have mixed, even paradoxical feelings about schwarz-rot-gold. Probably the best thing at the moment is using both Schwarz-Weiß-Rot and Schwarz-Rot-Gold in combination in order for people in Germany and elsewhere to get used to the former one once again. Much has been forgotten and Germans are, as you might know, more than ill-informed about their own past and probably need some kind of therapy to erase the effects of their post-war "reeducation" and regain a true sense of patriotism.

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    Question The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    As we are talking of Germany and Austria in a different topic in this section - is there any chance that we can change the flag for this chapter? I have the feeling - despite its former use in the Imperial Army, and its featuring in Schumann's song "Schwarz-Rot-Gold" - that since it is the official flag of the Federal Republic of Germany, that this flag before the German chapter is quite a bit of mocking. For two considerations:

    1) the political consideration: The South African chapter was able to retain the flag it had pre-1994 as the new flag is not representative of the Germanic settlement that it once was. So why use the flag of the "occupational matter" of the BRD?

    2) the geographical consideration: As a person of wider German heritage, with some high percentage of it lying within Austria and other areas no longer counted as "German lands" such as Switzerland, Untersteiermark or Prussia (actually these lands called "non-German" in its nowadays use account for exactly 50% of my gen tree - though interestingly enough both my parents are only half Austrian ) , I feel the use of the flag of the Restreich more than only a bit of mocking towards the German heritage of Austria and the central role it has played in German matters ever since.

    I know that the Black-White-Red is maybe not appropriate too, since it stood for a Prussian-dominated Germany; but it was seen as a flag for "all Germans", too, as far as I am aware, so it has more justification. Besides that it has always been the colors for the stride of a united Germany ever since we were last separated, so that would only justify it even further.

    Sorry, but for the two abovementioned reasons and various minor reasons it hurts my eyes and heart to see the Black-Red-Gold flag beside the German chapter.

    If you're not going to keep it on the basis of it not being the actual German flag of today, then fair enough, but then at least please change the South African flag to the current Black-Red-Green-Blue-Yellow-White flag, too.

    Sorry if this is a "rant" in the common sense meaning of the word, but if we could have any discussion on the general consensus there? For I don't believe in all honesty that too many German users of this forum will agree with the use of Black-Red-Gold.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    The Black-Red-Gold flag is an encompassing symbol for all-Germans.
    Black red gold is the flag of the all-German (grossdeutsch; Great German) nationalrevolutionary movement of the 19th century that attempted to unite all Germans (including the Germans in the k.u.k. monarchy) no matter where they lived. It thus doesn't only represent the FRG but Germans, Germany, and German nationalism as a whole. It was also from 1848-1852 the flag of the German Confederation that united all Germans.

    Contrary to this, the flag of the North German Confederation from 1867-1871 and the first German Empire from 1871 to 1918 (black white red) excluded the South Germans but is nonetheless assigned to "Germany" on Skadi, because it also represents a momentum towards German unity.

    Both flags were actually official flags of the Weimar Republic. One isn't more "treacherous" than the other. They are to a certain extent loaded with different philosophies, though. Black white red represents terms such as "reactionary," "traditional," "authoritarian," "elitism". Black red gold represents terms such as "progressive," "reason," "liberty," "democracy." I think both flags have their justification in a German context.
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