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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Mielke

    Is this how a "Germanic nationalist hero" behaves, Bärin? It is on the contrary, ungermanic to persecute your Germanic citizens for ideological disagreement and for daring to think for themselves.

    Is this how a "Germanic Hero" behaves, Dagna?

    http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/zeitg...436915,00.html

    Maybe your German is not good enough, but i translated something for you:

    The Historian Sönke Zankel about why the Scholls were Drug-Addicts:

    Zankel: At least it's an conclusive Explanation. They let theirselves intentional get caught from the Janitor of the University. (Excerpt from the Gestapo-Questioning-Protocoll) The Janitor was one Head smaller than Hans Scholl. A very strange Behaviour. For Comparance: Her Friend Alexander Schmorell defended hisself when he got caught for about 5 Days and therefor showed the normal Flight-Instinct. An Eye-Witness reports from a Conversation in 1943 with Hans Scholl, who answered on the Question, if he actually never sleeps that he: He injects himself and Sophie something so they stay awake.


    Zankel: More Eye-Witnesses report more than what is already known. Hans Scholl was at the Russian Front in Summer 1942, when an Incident happened: Opium-Pills vanished. The Student-Company was suspected. An Eyewitness was wondering during the Way back Home, that Scholl put White Powder in his Pipe. Another Hint came from Scholls Friend. She said Hans had injected her Morphine. As Medic-Student he could get Morphine easily. Which means, he didn't take only Amphetamines which was already known, he took also depressant Drugs - which makes his unconcerned Behaviour while he was arrested more plausible.

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: Until now the passive Behaviour of the Scholls during their Arrest was explained, that they already awaited an End of the War soon.

    Zankel: This Theory is based on the "Martyr-Theory", which i find wrong. Because in the Gestapo-Questioning they denied everything, until Hans suffered from a Mental Breakdown. So they didn't get arrested to set a Sign.


    I don't defend Erich Mielke but you have Double Standards.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Well, this forum is a nice alternative to FRG indoctrination, won't you say?
    Here you can debate openly, which is absolutely not appreciated in classrooms.
    Most Westerners here just parrot the propaganda they are indoctrinated with, so it's the same shit I hear every day in the FRG.

    You sound like one these imperialists that love to conquer and subdue other people saying this was a good thing for mankind.
    Nonsense, I don't support imperialism, you should read my other posts.

    Since when was e.g. Warshaw lost German territory? Only igonrant peopel that have no clue about history say this war (WW2) was about recapturing lost soil.
    That's what it started as.

    And have a look at the lost of human lifes - that's why I said "bloodthirsty".
    News for you: war kills people, whether we like it or not. You think Hitler WANTED to kill millions and took pleasure in it?

    What else has to be done if a war is lost? To save what is remaining.
    What exactly has been "saved" since WW2? This country is a wreck.

    So Hitler "fought" until his death or did he hide away in bunkers?
    What happened in may 8/9th 1945? Looks like an unconditional surrender to me.
    An unconditional surrender which wasn't signed by Hitler.

    An artificial entity on German soil, much like the FRG.
    Socialism isn't artificial, it's the socialism in the GDR that we support, not being ruled by Russians.

    The reason why not much foreigners were let into the GDR was the economic crisis there, multiculturalism was heavily and successfully promoted by GDR'S footboys her ein the west, in order to destabilize the FRG so it can be taken over by a communst revolution easily at one point.
    To destabilize the FRG was a good thing, a communist and homogeneous Germany would have been better off than a multicultural, liberal, xenophilic Germany.

    Of course, neither were Ulbricht and Mielke - yawn.
    And, of course, Honecker waited for his Trabant 12 years like others did, and did not drive around in a Volvo bought from his Swedish socialist brother nation...
    They were leaders, leaders need cars to move around.

    Aha, there was no promotion of abortion in the GDR? What's with the lowest birth-rate in the world after Vatican State?
    And where did I say that everything in the GDR was perfect? I oppose abortion and it wasn't always legal in the GDR, by the way.

    The Polytechnic education as well as sports and arts were superiour in the GDR, but the fields you mention, the moral education, was as inexistent as it is here today.
    Sports and arts provide moral education as well.

    Again, the GDR was well aware multicultural enrichment via colonization through foreign races would destroy teh GDR and overthrow the ruling, that's why it was promoted for the FRG, hoping this way would make it fall in their hands like an ripe apple.
    Too bad it didn't work.

    And, of course, it is never the Communists promoting this crap...eyes:
    GDR did not preserve the own population to preserve Germans resp. Germanics, they kept foreign influence low to avoid unrests and being overthrown. They did not expect to be overthrown anyway.
    Nonsense, or Russians and other communist "brothers" would have swarmed the GDR with immigration. It was hard enough to immigrate in the GDR even as a Russian.

    That might be true, but the main decadence like self-loathing would have remained.
    We were taught no self-loathing in schools in the GDR. We held our heads up high. We left Holocaust guilt to the West who were self-loathing enough to kiss Israeli behinds.

    You are a schwarz-rot-gold enthusiast it appears to me. Last time I checked these colours were abused by the GDR as well.
    These colours were not "abused" by the GDR and it isn't the same flag I was talking about. No one would confuse a GDR flag with a FRG flag, like the one in your profile.

    What are true German nationalists? Those brownnosing a Soviet created entity on German soil? And what flag would you propose for a free and sovereign Germany?
    True German nationalists are those who put the nation overall and reject anything that has to do with the treasonous FRG regime, including its flag. I propose the flag you are seeing in my profile, or a new one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I believe you should read the history of your country again, Ossi. If Hitler's Germany had limited itself to regaining lost territories it would have been another story. Hitler's ambition to enslave non-Germans was more than obvious when he occupied Czechoslovakia. Only the Sudetenland was German territory. Furthermore, Hitler and Stalin split Poland. Their intention to do so was present in the secret annexes to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. National Socialism and imperialism go hand in hand. Now it is the National Socialists who complain when the tables have turned and it is their country that is enslaved by neoconservative imperialism. You are being fed your own poison and thanks to National Socialism and its leader, millions of Germans have fallen victim to anti-preservation policies. You can "heil" your Führer for that.
    Countries who don't peacefully cede stolen land will get invaded sooner or later. I am not a Hitler supporter nor an imperialist, so your stupid comments are superfluous, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Is this how a "Germanic Hero" behaves, Dagna?

    http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/zeitg...436915,00.html

    Maybe your German is not good enough, but i translated something for you:

    The Historian Sönke Zankel about why the Scholls were Drug-Addicts:

    Zankel: At least it's an conclusive Explanation. They let theirselves intentional get caught from the Janitor of the University. (Excerpt from the Gestapo-Questioning-Protocoll) The Janitor was one Head smaller than Hans Scholl. A very strange Behaviour. For Comparance: Her Friend Alexander Schmorell defended hisself when he got caught for about 5 Days and therefor showed the normal Flight-Instinct. An Eye-Witness reports from a Conversation in 1943 with Hans Scholl, who answered on the Question, if he actually never sleeps that he: He injects himself and Sophie something so they stay awake.


    Zankel: More Eye-Witnesses report more than what is already known. Hans Scholl was at the Russian Front in Summer 1942, when an Incident happened: Opium-Pills vanished. The Student-Company was suspected. An Eyewitness was wondering during the Way back Home, that Scholl put White Powder in his Pipe. Another Hint came from Scholls Friend. She said Hans had injected her Morphine. As Medic-Student he could get Morphine easily. Which means, he didn't take only Amphetamines which was already known, he took also depressant Drugs - which makes his unconcerned Behaviour while he was arrested more plausible.

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: Until now the passive Behaviour of the Scholls during their Arrest was explained, that they already awaited an End of the War soon.

    Zankel: This Theory is based on the "Martyr-Theory", which i find wrong. Because in the Gestapo-Questioning they denied everything, until Hans suffered from a Mental Breakdown. So they didn't get arrested to set a Sign.


    I don't defend Erich Mielke but you have Double Standards.




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    You seem to be assuming that I must somehow believe that drug consumption is "immoral". I don't believe so. Many people consume all kinds of drugs every day, including prescription drugs, tobacco and alcohol.

    I also don't believe that I have said anything about the questioning of Scholl, her heroic deeds laid in the opposition to National Socialism before she was captured and she was a martyr because she was executed, not questioned by the National Socialists. In fact, I would have found it even more heroic if she had resisted with passion against the National Socialist arrest. She was a student, an innocent student girl who opposed the monstrous, ungermanic ideology. In that she is more valuable in my mind than a megalomaniac leader who killed millions of his countrymen for the sake of pipedreams.

    Just the fact that you are comparing her to Mielke is enough said. There is no comparison between a peaceful student and a megalomaniac leader who punished and tortured millions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    You seem to be assuming that I must somehow believe that drug consumption is "immoral". I don't believe so. Many people consume all kinds of drugs every day, including prescription drugs, tobacco and alcohol.
    People using Opium and Morphine without a medical Reason are not comparable to People consuming Prescription-Drugs for Reasons such as Antidepressives or Painkillers.

    Drugabuse is always immoral.
    I also don't believe that I have said anything about the questioning of Scholl, her heroic deeds laid in the opposition to National Socialism before she was captured and she was a martyr because she was executed, not questioned by the National Socialists. In fact, I would have found it even more heroic if she had resisted with passion against the National Socialist arrest. She was a student, an innocent student girl who opposed the monstrous, ungermanic ideology.
    She is overrated and did nothing. There were People who actually tried doing something against Hitler's Stubborness concerning Military Actions in 43-45 which wasted alot of Lives. The Generals and Officials. People who actually had the Power to do something and really were Martyrs when they got executed or died of mysterious Reasons.

    In that she is more valuable in my mind than a megalomaniac leader who killed millions of his countrymen for the sake of pipedreams.
    I still recommend you to read these Books i mentioned a Page earlier:

    The other Side of the Coin - Dr. Hamilton Fish


    Unconditional Hatred. German War Guilt and the Future of Europe - Russel Grenfell


    The Forced War. When Peaceful Revision Failed - Prof. David Leslie Hoggan (Harvard-University)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Most Westerners here just parrot the propaganda they are indoctrinated with, so it's the same shit I hear every day in the FRG.
    Quote?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Nonsense, I don't support imperialism, you should read my other posts.
    Will do so, still you support imperialism since both, 3rd Reich and GDR were constructs of imperialistic ideologies.
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    That's what it started as.
    No. It was a pretext to establish a German supremacy over Europe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    News for you: war kills people, whether we like it or not.
    News for you: I oppose the death of my people since it is opposed to preservationism. And because I think Germany always thrived when she kept her troops within own borders and cared for the own business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    You think Hitler WANTED to kill millions and took pleasure in it?
    But Yes of course - he could have stopped it at any time, or bettter, not having started it in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    What exactly has been "saved" since WW2? This country is a wreck.
    Because that dictaorship fought and was crushed despite the war was lost already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    An unconditional surrender which wasn't signed by Hitler.
    He was too coward and let it do his paladins.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Socialism isn't artificial,
    It is. Nowhere it ever worked, nowhere it ever improved anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    it's the socialism in the GDR that we support, not being ruled by Russians.
    GDR is over - get over it - now it's time to crush the FRG.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    To destabilize the FRG was a good thing, a communist and homogeneous Germany would have been better off than a multicultural, liberal, xenophilic Germany.
    Communism goes hand in hand with liberalism here. I do not see any of the old SED functionaires opposing multiculturalism...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    They were leaders, leaders need cars to move around.
    So why not driving around in a Trabant then? And why were no Volvos delivered to the working people?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    And where did I say that everything in the GDR was perfect?
    No idea - where did you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    I oppose abortion and it wasn't always legal in the GDR, by the way.
    If you would have opposed it openly you would have seen the jail of Bautzen from inside for some years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Sports and arts provide moral education as well.
    GDR did not promote Kurdish etc. rappers as German culture at least...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Too bad it didn't work.
    Why? FRG is perishing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Nonsense, or Russians and other communist "brothers" would have swarmed the GDR with immigration. It was hard enough to immigrate in the GDR even as a Russian.
    Like I said before - mass immigration wa spromoted for others to destabilize them, and not to destabilize the own regime.
    Quote Originally Posted by GDR
    We were taught no self-loathing in schools in the GDR. We held our heads up high. We left Holocaust guilt to the West who were self-loathing enough to kiss Israeli behinds.
    And, of course, ther ewas no arms export for African dictatorships and no anti-Apartheid actions...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    These colours were not "abused" by the GDR and it isn't the same flag I was talking about. No one would confuse a GDR flag with a FRG flag, like the one in your profile.
    Well, the colours are the same. Neither GDR nor FRG cared about their meaning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    True German nationalists are those who put the nation overall and reject anything that has to do with the treasonous FRG regime, including its flag. I propose the flag you are seeing in my profile, or a new one.
    The FRG flag has the federal eagle in it, I see no problem with the original black-red-golden one. I posted those I would prefer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    Countries who don't peacefully cede stolen land will get invaded sooner or later.
    Poland has stolen much of German lands. Shall we invade them again? Last time we did we lost even more land and had millions of deaths. I think this lesson should be enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi
    I am not a Hitler supporter nor an imperialist, so your stupid comments are superfluous, by the way.
    You defend him all the time - and I surely doubt it is my comments that are stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I don't believe Second Reich flag-waving neonazis and skinheads should be counted as "true German nationalists".

    They are counted as "true German nationalists" and frequently arrested as such

    The 2nd Reich was abolished before the National Socialist Party (aka 'nazis') was formed, the National Socialists are associated with the 3rd Reich. The remnants of the 2nd Reich power structure acted as a moderating influence on Hitler and the 3rd Reich in the 1930s, forcing them to abandon some of the more extreme elements of their ideology and eliminate the infamous 'nazi brownshirts' of the SA.
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    Umhüllt mit schwarzem Flor all’ eure Fahnen,
    Dann hat das deutsche Volk ein einig Zeichen!
    An dieses Sinnbild wird kein andres reichen,
    Mit tieferm Ernst wird uns kein bessres mahnen,

    Wie unwert wir der großen deutschen Ahnen.
    Laßt Trauer unser Herz für deutsche Not erweichen,
    Mit Haß und Streit kann man kein Ziel erreichen,
    Nur einig bricht ein Volk der Freiheit Bahnen.

    So laßt die Flagge, die ihr liebt, nicht wehen,
    Des Landes Schmach und Not soll sie nicht sehen,
    Als Mahnbild wird sie uns im Herzen stehen.

    Das Reich soll erst zum Brudervolk sich finden,
    Der Feinde Macht und Lüge gilt’s zu überwinden,
    Erst dann laßt neu uns stolze Farben finden!

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    As an Austrian, I cannot say I feel much sympathy for the Schwarz-Weiß-Rot flag. That flag represents the North German League, it represents a Prussian dominated Germany, it is not an all-German flag. I identify with the colours used by democratic revolutionaries in the early 19th century, namely Schwarz-Rot-Gold, because the revolutionaries wanted to include Austria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    There is a reason why I combine the Tyrolese flag with the German flag, this is to be understood as a statement: Tyrolese by region, Bavarian by tribe and German by nation, they don't exclude each other.
    Nice to combine region, tribe and nation.

    But how about changing that Weimar/BRD rag for a better flag.

    Schwarz/Weiss/Rot ............... The REAL German Empire colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peoples Observer View Post
    Nice to combine region, tribe and nation.

    But how about changing that Weimar/BRD rag for a better flag.

    Schwarz/Weiss/Rot ............... The REAL German Empire colors.
    You mean the real Prussian colors. An empire which excluded the Austrians.
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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