View Poll Results: German Flag: Which is Your Favorite?

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  • Black-Red-Gold

    33 42.31%
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    33 42.31%
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    3 3.85%
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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    For many Germans the Black-Red-Gold flag has become a symbol of the kind of nihilistic anti-Germanism that is officially practiced by the so-called Federal Republic "of Germany".This regime stands for an increasing curtailment of freedom of speech, for illegal but officially sanctioned police surveillance and harassment; for a regime that justifies, glorifies and white-washes crimes of genocide that have been committed against Germans before, during and after WW II; - a regime that discriminates against ethnic Germans at local authority, regional, national and international level to the advantage of non-Germans; a regime that ironically promotes Anti-German attitudes, a regime that promotes illegal immigration (e.g. "Vollmer-Erlaß"), to name just a few examples.

    For instance, I remember the surprised editor of an English-medium Namibian newspaper in Windhoek asking a former cultural attaché at the local "German" Embassy: "Don’t you [the "German" diplomats] want them [the Namibian Germans] to speak German anymore?" This "cultural attaché" once also spoke out strongly against Namibian Germans in a publication of the Lutheran Church, accusing them of "doing nothing" and being inactive. The reality however is that many statutory organisations and units of ministries of the present Republic of Namibia, for instance, had originally come into being as private local ethnic German initiatives. It is also a fact that Namibian Germans, who constitute only one percent of the total population, contribute enormously to the Namibian economy. Suffice is to say: the Foreign Ministry of the Federal Republic "of Germany" never disciplined or recalled this "cultural attaché"!

    To put it in a nutshell: the Federal Republic "of Germany" (and by implication the historical flag it uses as its official flag), violates against everything that Skadi-Net stands for.

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    The so-called constitution of the Federal Republic "of Germany" explicitly states that the process of Germans unification has ended with the accession of the territory of the now defunct GDR, also erroneously called "East Germany". This constitution has never been approved in a referendum as was originally required.

    On the one hand this regime was quite prepared to participate in illegal air raids against the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia, the reason being that the autonomy of the Kosovo should be restored, but on the other hand it has never insisted that the autonomy of the Volga German Republic (19.10.1918-28.08.1941) should be restored; - although both the Soviet Union, and by implication its successor state, the Russian Federation, and the Federal Republic "of Germany" had previously agreed (before German re-unification) that the autonomy of the Volga German Republic be restored.

    In meantime, the greater part of the original Volga German population that had been dispersed by Stalin through forced removals across the now defunct Soviet Union, has been lured "back" to Germany, ostensibly so in order to increase the domestic market with a couple of millions of additional consumers. Many accultured people of ethnic German descent moved to Germany in the hope that they could recapture the few good memories they had from their childhood experiences in the early decades of the 20th century in the Soviet Union. They were rewarded with contempt by the same regime that had lured them to "return" to the Federal Republic, a regime that had not even existed at the time when Germans migrated to Southern Russia on invitation of Russia's (German) Czarina Catherine the Great.

    I do not want to elaborate further on the Anti-Germanism of the "Bundesrepublik", the official flag of which is Black-Red-Gold. I personally fail to see any "progressiveness", "reason", "liberty" and "democracy" in Black-Red-Gold. It has been argued again and again that this de facto regime, which is nothing more than an illegal Anglo-American satellite between the Rhine and Oder-Neiße Rivers, will eventually collapse economically, socially and politically. The only legal framework that will be able to fill this void is the de iure existing German Reich, the official flag of which is Black-White-Red. So why don’t we go ahead and replace Black-Red-Gold with Schwarz-Weiß-Rot?

    There are more reasons why Black-White-Red is preferable to Black-Red-Gold:

    1. Austrians and the (German) Swiss are Germans too, and both these German nations no doubt could identify more easily with Black-White-Red, as it echoes the red and white colours of the Austrian and Swiss national flags.

    2. Ethnic Germans living outside Europe identify more easily with Black-White-Red than with Black-Red-Gold. There are too many bad memories attached to the Federal Republic "of Germany", where the life of a homeless domestic animal is worth more than an unborn human being. Enough said!
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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    The Black-Red-Gold flag has been abused too much by multiculturalists. It was disgraced by Arabs, Turks etc. during the world cup. It wouldn't be a flag of honor anymore. A future German Reich may only use the old Reichsflagge. And yeah, let's switch the flags and bring back the good old colors.

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    AW: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

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    Re: AW: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop View Post

    Basically we may not use the Black/White/Red one either then too.

    Just think about all those different countries, which have citizens which use our Swastika-Flag and/or the normal Black/White/Red One?

    Some russian organisation even have put Hammer and Sickle instead of the Swastika.

    So what now? We make a new flag?

    That argument that some turks used it in the worldcup is just poor and poor², nothing more.




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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    Please excuse my ignorance on this issue, but I honestly didn't know that the present German flag (black-red-gold) is not a representative one. Actually, I've always thought that Germany used that flag since Bismarck times. I have an old Larousse encyclopedia from the '60s and the flags of the two Germanies appear with the same colour pattern.
    Can somebody tell the origins and history behind the two flags (and the symbolism of each one if possible)?

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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    Quote Originally Posted by Liberator Germaniae View Post
    For many Germans the Black-Red-Gold flag has become a symbol of the kind of nihilistic anti-Germanism that is officially practiced by the so-called Federal Republic "of Germany". This regime stands for an increasing curtailment of freedom of speech, for illegal but officially sanctioned police surveillance and harassment; for a regime that justifies, glorifies and white-washes crimes of genocide that have been committed against Germans before, during and after WW II; - a regime that discriminates against ethnic Germans at local authority, regional, national and international level to the advantage of non-Germans; a regime that ironically promotes Anti-German attitudes, a regime that promotes illegal immigration (e.g. "Vollmer-Erlaß"), to name just a few examples.
    First, let me state that I have nothing against the black-white-red colors. I just think the arguments against the black-red-gold flag are invalid. Some less contemplative Germans consider it an un-German or sort of traitor flag, just because the FRG uses it (or, even more ridiculous, because some naturalized Turks might carry it to football games).

    The FRG also uses Das Lied der Deutschen as national anthem (and, yes, all three verses are official), and I think everybody here would agree that this very fact or any unfortunate FRG policies don't make it a bad, treacherous or un-German anthem. The same applies to its official flag which is an all-German, revolutionary flag that arose directly from the hearts and minds of the core of the German folk.

    German patriots opposing anti-German imperialism and advocating national liberation designed, carried and died for it. They stood for a free, self-determined German people, unified under one banner, that was exploited and subjugated by selfish, imperialist rulers who preferred to keep their petty absolutist, censoring, exploiting multi-cultural empires or insignificant miniature states over letting freedom, social justice and unity reign over all Germans.

    Black-white-red simply cannot match this aspect. There are other arguments one can name in its support (amongst them some good ones), but it was never a revolutionary, all-German flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernst_Juenger View Post
    The Black-Red-Gold flag has been abused too much by multiculturalists. It was disgraced by Arabs, Turks etc. during the world cup. It wouldn't be a flag of honor anymore. A future German Reich may only use the old Reichsflagge. And yeah, let's switch the flags and bring back the good old colors.
    I personally fail to see how the actions of traitors or foreigners can have any influence on the value and meaning of a German national flag. As mentioned, no educated and proud German would consider his national anthem tainted (including the third verse, which objectively might actually be the most beautiful), just because in the meantime FRG politicians and naturalized Turks listen, sing or parade to it during official receptions and sports ceremonies.
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    Re: The use of the Black-Red-Gold flag...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazorquero View Post
    Please excuse my ignorance on this issue, but I honestly didn't know that the present German flag (black-red-gold) is not a representative one. Actually, I've always thought that Germany used that flag since Bismarck times. I have an old Larousse encyclopedia from the '60s and the flags of the two Germanies appear with the same colour pattern.
    Can somebody tell the origins and history behind the two flags (and the symbolism of each one if possible)?

    Please excuse my ignorance also but I was taught that the traditional colors of Germany are red, black and white: So weiss wie Schnee, so rot wie Blut, so scharz wie Ebenholz--describing the skin, cheeks and hair color of Snow White and used as a metaphor for Germany.

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    The German Flag

    How about this flag for the German speaking countries?



    D-A-CH-flag, an unofficial flag comprising flags of the three dominant states in the German Sprachraum.


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    This flag is anything but aesthetically pleasing.
    • This flag represents only German-speaking countries and not the rest of the Germanic world.
    • The Weimar flag represents treason and a reference to it would be unacceptable to any real German nationalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    • This flag is anything but aesthetically pleasing.
    That is a subjective opinion.
    • This flag represents only German-speaking countries and not the rest of the Germanic world.
    Yes, I don't believe I have said otherwise.
    • The Weimar flag represents treason and a reference to it would be unacceptable to any real German nationalist.
    The 1848 Germans were nationalists and used this flag. I don't believe you are German so I believe it is up to the Germans to determine what their flag represents.


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