View Poll Results: German Flag: Which is Your Favorite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich Harrer View Post
    But Austria will be a part again of the united German Empire we strive for, and thus the national flag will also represent them.

    Because I prefer the black-white-red flag too, I just made the lighthearted point that austrians shouldn't find it too difficult to identify with the color set of the flag as well, because thanks to you this divisive and completely unnecessary argument came up that the colors of the flag don't represent them as their 'ancestral colors' are missing.
    This is idealism, I was using the flag as a example, therefore I was restricted to historical fact, if you read my posts, I never supported the notion of 'ancestral colors'.


    And what exactly do you think you will achieve with your 'squabbling'? You don't achieve unity, Einigkeit und Brüderlichkeit, by putting down or belittling your brethren. That will only cause division and resentment, a state that has far too often been abused by our external foes in the past. And if you wanted others to identify with the flag as well, you've obviously done your cause a disservice with your arrogant and offensive behavior.

    And frankly, as you're not even a german national I will have to agree with Sigyn on that point: it's none of your business. Pick your own fights and squabble about which flag would be most suitable for Australia.
    Geographical location does not invalidate my opinion which was always directed at the current flag, everything mentioned about the flag of the German Empire was justification over my using it as an example. I did not intend to belittle anyone, I was objective. Lastly I already stated I am not some kind of 'flag loyalist', I would prefer a new flag see in the dawn of a new era. You Germans are more awesome than Australians, I would rather meddle in your affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkönig View Post
    Might is right, the flag was that of the victorious.
    That in itself doesn't necessarily mean much in terms of national significance and value. Germany has had other imposed flags by the "victorious", e.g. temporary German flag under the Allied Control Council:



    Pretty much meaningless in this case. A flag is/should be a national symbol. I doubt that even German nationalists who fly the black-white-red flag do so because of "might is right" principles. They do so as a means to express national & ethnic allegiance.

    The typical view of stagnation, you do not consider that Germans still possess the ability for profound cultural creation, instead you prefer to worship the ashes.
    One's ancestors should be honored even more so if they had noble and worthwhile ideas. Furthermore I did not say or insinuate that Germans don't still posses the ability to create culture, the discussion just centered around two already existing flag versions. I actually also have nothing against the use of the black-white-red flag, for the right reasons.

    You consider a theoretical plan to be more German than the physical existence of the German Empire ?
    Certainly, because the theoretical plan encompassed a complete German solution, an ideal of the German nation, while the physical existence of the Empire failed to encompass it. As such, while it should be commended for its achievements, it shouldn't be seen as infallible. German nationalists do not settle their definition of the nation according to half or 3/4 achievements. We'd be stagnating if we did so.

    I consider it to be "more German" in the sense that the inclusion of Austrians makes the value of German unity more complete. History has also shown that it could surpass the theoretical realm, also without the need for intra-German wars.

    Bavarians and Austrians are also Germans and a national flag should symbolically represent the entire German nation. This is regardless of past intra-German wars.

    The flag honors the memory of German revolutionaries and symbolically continues their strive for the German ideal.

    What relevance does this have.
    That the Germans who prefer the black-red-gold flag don't necessarily do so because the FRG already chose it for them, quite on the contrary they reject the interpretations of the FRG.

    You are resorting to a common logical fallacy here, i.e. that because premise A is a B (black-red-gold is used by modern German nationalists) and premise A is also a C (black-red-gold is also used by the FRG) therefore, all modern German nationalists are FRG supporters, or do so because having been conditioned by the FRG. This is false, as can be simplified by the diagram:



    If we are to use this correlation, why stop at the flag? (Part of) the German anthem, or even the name "Germany"? Where does it end? The GDR used the word democratic although it was anything but that. The FRG is no better at this. The people are given a right to vote, that's true, but not about big and essential issues like who is really ruling them and how they are ruled. It's basically like choosing which warden will run the prison and not whether one should be in there in the first place, it changes little. Oppressive regimes actually resort to this tactic and support their existence by abusing and hijacking the meaning of otherwise perfectly justifiable concepts just so that the people will reject them altogether. We will not renounce our national symbols and pride simply because the FRG happens to fly and abuse some remnants of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    The Black-Red-Gold flag is an encompassing symbol for all-Germans.
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    An excellent observation. The Black, Red and Gold flag made its first appearance in 1778 in the Principality of Reuss-Greiz, subsequently being adopted by the proponents of the German Revolution of 1848. The competing Black, White and Red flag has a Prussian and Hanseatic League origin and became the flag of the North German Confederation in 1867. So the Black, Red and Gold flag is no less authentically German than its rival. Indeed one could argue that it is MORE German. The rejection of the flag by Hitler is colouring many German nationalists' perceptions regarding this flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Div.Nordland View Post
    Most of the German users here can't identify themselves with Black-Red-Yellow.

    Sorry for my bad english
    Your English is excellent. I personally believe that many modern German Nationalists reject the current flag of Germany because they associate it with the Weimar Republic and its consequent replacement by Hitler. However a little research indicates that it is a much older German flag than the Black-White-Red which has its origins in the combinations of the colours of the Hanseatic League and Prussia, not becoming a 'national' flag until 1867 and the rise of the North German Confederation.

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    German Federal Council Passes Bill Giving Three Years in Prison for Denigrating EU Flag


    The German Bundesrat, the upper chamber of the German parliament, has proposed banning Germans from denigrating both the European Union flag and anthem.



    The Bundesrat, which is composed of delegates from the German states, passed a bill that could see individuals who either denigrate the EU flag or the EU anthem, Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy”, punished with a fine or up to three years in prison, Die Welt reports.


    German newspaper Saarbrücken Zeitung obtained a draft of the law earlier this year that urged law enforcement agencies “to take firm and effective action against those whose aim is to disparage the fundamental values ​​of the European Union”.


    The draft continued, stating that violations would also cover attacks “on the reputation of the symbols of the European Union”. The newly passed bill must now be ratified by the Bundestag, although no date for a vote on the matter has been scheduled so far.

    Germany has laws on the books that outlaw the denigration of foreign flags and national emblems but so far, the European Union’s flag and symbols have not been recognised under the laws. The country also has laws against insulting foreign heads of state, a law that nearly saw the prosecution of left-wing comedian Jan Böhmermann in 2016 over an offensive poemabout Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan that was later banned by a German court.


    While charges were initiated against Böhmermann, they were later dropped, with Chancellor Angela Merkel even admitting that she had made an “error” in viewing the poem as “deliberately insulting”.


    In neighbouring France, the government has forced schools across the country to start flying the EU flag alongside the French tricolore. The move was part of educational reforms enacted by French president Emmanuel Macron that also lowered the age of compulsory school entry from six to three years old.




    Many respected people in Germany are currently in prison for researching a certain historical event. Truth fears no investigation.




    German Federal Council Passes Bill Giving Three Years in Prison for Denigrating EU Flag29 IX 2019.


    More of the EUssr’s MUST DO creeping communism.
    The place for the EU flag is as a doormat.

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