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    I believe Ultimately that Islam is as contrary to our Aims and the truest form of Germanic Preservation and Proliferation as is Judaism and Christianity, though obviously there are of the three varying degrees of conflict between foreign Religions and the complications they raise with our Folk-spirit.

    Suffice to say that it would be nice if people dropped the Universalist Dogma Religions and looked inward for their inspiration and direction.

    That being said, in the end it's obvious enough to me, to each their own, but as for me, for my part, this is my personal opinion, and I wouldn't look to any Religion not native to the soil or blood of my people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophia View Post
    Honestly I think it would be possible.
    It would require a "germanisisation" of Islam (a reinterpretation) though.
    You miss the point, though, Sophia. :o
    The key thing with Islam is that Mohammad knew what he was doing. He was aware of how the Empire had made Christianity its own by fusing it with Hellenism and late Classical philosophy, getting progressively more distant from the pure message of its eponymous founder. He saw that pagan elements were being incorporated into Christianity. He in a way wanted to start again, giving a purer monotheism, and made damn sure that nobody would ever be able to "Germanise", "Persianise" or even "Arabise" it.
    Christian theologians have far more room for manouevre than their Muslim counterparts could ever dream of.

    The best discussion I've read of this is in H.G.Wells's "History of the World" - a great study of human history as the history of ideas.
    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Can one be a Germanic preservationist and Muslim? Maybe. Would I want to associate with them? Probably not. I would prefer a Christian any day. I have the greatest respect for Europe's Catholic and Orthodox forebears who drove out the Muslim hordes. Too bad they didn't purge the Middle East of them.
    Too right.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    IMO, Islam is the least alien to Germanics, followed by Catholicism, then Protestantism and then Judaism. For this, I look first and foremost to the inportance of Germanic values such as honour and courage, the importance of the family and the importance or arristocracy.
    You damn nigh make me sick to read that. Least alien? It's total abject demeaning Submission. Surrender. Turning off all your own doubts, questions, yearnings, all to serve the memory of a Seventh Century megalomaniac.
    Christianity early on became so metaphysical and vague that in the end it can produce people like my Grandmother who once said "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe any of that Jesus rubbish." Sure, she wasn't the most educated woman who ever lived, but she unknowingly meant simply Deism when she thought of Christianity. Christianity has great propensity to outgrow itself. You won't get this in Islam, because it's so shackled to Mohammad and the Arabic language. Read any text by a Muslim in Europe, or some pathetic European convert like that Myatt, and you'll get so bored of reading all the Sallaa wall'alllahhaa al Allahu uwallall salam alla salmonella drivel that they feel bound to write ever time they mention God or his Prophet... eyes: It's a hopeless cause to think of changing that.

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    I feel like I'm sort of caught between Illusions and everyone else on this subject. While Christianity is indeed very harmful, it is not a good idea to equate a modern "Germanic" Muslim with a Germanic Christian, solely for practical reasons. I'll use music as an example. If a Germanic listens to rap, he clearly embraces a foriegn culture. If a Germanic listens to Rock and Roll, which is derived from the same source as rap (Jazz), is he embracing a foriegn culture? The answer is clear to most of us. Christianity was initially just as bad as Islam for us, but is it now more Germanic? Certainly. Christianity was, for most of Germanic history, very Germanic. If Islam was introduced, it would have probably ended up the same too. So at their roots they are no different, but we should not view such things in too historical an outlook. Being Islamic today is like being an early Christian, a traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    If a Germanic listens to rap, he clearly embraces a foriegn culture. If a Germanic listens to Rock and Roll, which is derived from the same source as rap (Jazz), is he embracing a foriegn culture?
    If a Germanic listens to Rock and Roll, he also embracing a foreign culture. That's basically my argument. Please note that various forms of Swing music were illegal in Third Reich era for this reason as well as its degenerating influence on the German youth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    You damn nigh make me sick to read that. Least alien? It's total abject demeaning Submission. Surrender. Turning off all your own doubts, questions, yearnings, all to serve the memory of a Seventh Century megalomaniac.
    Old school Catholicism, Judaism and certain protestant denominations are little different here. With regards to Catholicism, one just needs to take a look at Catholic publications from before the 1960s or ask my father and others from his generation about their youth.

    Only some protestant denominations differ from this pattern, but far from all. Just think of Mennonites for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Well, this claim is impossible to refute nor is it possible to proof it, however when making such a broad claim you should substitute it with your thoughts.
    This is how you care for reality. Over the centuries Christian nations like Germany, Sweden, England... remained genetically pure whilst the Islamic people became highgly mogrelized. From Maghreb over the Arab Peninsula to Persia, there is not much left of the old Arabid subrace, natives like Persian Aryans or Maghrebian Berbers also almost completely mongrelized with negro blood. We are at the beginning of this process. The result is the end of Europe in all aspects.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    And I don't really consider Spaniards mongrels.
    Who said they were? There is a certain percentage of mixed people, but the Arab occupation did not leave a huge genetical impact since most Moors were converted Spaniards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Uh, now it is already a fact, then provide evidence, please.
    What is fact? That the churches promote multicultiralism and are the spearhead of that movement dedicated to destroy our native people and homeland?
    Who criticizes any critic as "Nazi"? Who calls for prayers for "the Chosen"? Who opens doors for Muslims and subdues to them? The last aspect makest them attracktive for some NS again I guess...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Ice Age Seriously, everything before 19th century was less degenerated.
    I do not see what is less degenrated with e.g. 18th century absolutism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Degeneration happens when we praise the weak. (Like Christians do)
    But this was not the case before. Speeches like "turn your left cheek" when you have been hit simply is taught in a wrong way, purposefully of course. The original meaning is a master was allowed to hit his slave on the right cheek, but when he hits the slave on his left cheek he did it as man and the slave was allowed to defend himself as man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Actually, that's not that clear, furthermore, story is that the Armin got murdered because he wanted more than just a military alliance.
    Isn't tribalism nice?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    A federation of tribes, united within a national state It is more a question of rule, what can the tribe/clan decide and what is business of the central government.
    That's pretty much federalism.
    Which tribes?
    Currently the rulers try to unite all Europeans within this monstrous EU with a central government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Doesn't matter what they claim, you are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother, converting to Judaism is comparably a lot harder than in the other abrahamian religions, in Islam you just have to say a sentence, and in Christianity, every other Christian can baptize you into it.
    This does not change the fact converting to Islam is as much treacherous as converting to Judaism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Because history shows us that Judaism neither converted the host, nor did they as parasites convert.
    History shows many Jews assimilated, that's why the term "assimilation-Jew" was coined. I just remind the 100 000 Jews that fought for Germany in WW1 of whom about
    10 000 died.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Islam and Christianity did so on many occasions, mostly by force, which indicates that they actually do want to impose their universalism,
    Since most Germanics volunteerd in converting to Christianity I doubt you have understood for what both religions stand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Jews talk much if the day is long, but the unwillingness to embrace others into their religion is proof enough, that they are not universal.
    It is universal, since they do no recognize others to be worthy. It is not only the Jews that will suffer from Jahwe's Armageddon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    I don't know him.
    He was mentioned in his thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    More like 1400 years, at best. Just taking the leadership, not the common folk.
    More than 1400 years, many Germanics converted to Christianity as subjects of the Roman Empire. Christianity was very attractive for the common folk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    I agree, the same Christianity did.
    When?
    There were bloody confrontations, but it is wrong to claim Christianity was mainly forced on Germanics i.e. native Europeans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    It has pro-life values, which mostly result from tribal societies, and it is non-pacifist.
    So e.g. Judaism is pacifist and has no pro-life values?

    Since you permanently refer to tribalsim, here is a quote of the Danish archeologist Broholm for you:
    "We fully realize that the people of the Bronze Age were not highly civilized people but a primitive people, whose art is on a level with the products of certain negro tribes."

    So when will you start to praise African tribalism instead of Islamic tribalism?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Yet, don't think I would say it is no threat at all, or that we should even decide between these evils, the only way is to get rid of both.
    Currently both are successfully getting rid of us. In our own homelands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    None.
    Then, why is there a permanent latent sympathy for Muslims? Because they hate Jews?
    Over the centuries Jews and Muslims cooperated and worked together in their fight against the Christian Europeans, look at the Jewish advisers of Queen Elizabeth and the Sultan who managed to make Spain waging war against England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Aren't both compatible?
    They are incompatible because the idea of nation outside the Caliphate is a foreign and anti-Islamic concept.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    There can be different competing nationalist fractions, you know?!
    There is nationalism and else.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Unlike the Jewish equivalent, this can be interpretted differently.
    It is the other way round, the Islamic teaching is clear in this point and the Jewish teaching is not.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Yes. At least, that's their ultimate goal according to Talmudic prophecy.
    You take prophecies serious?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Where did I contradict myself?
    First you claimed Christians and Jews worshiop the same god, then you noticed the Holy Trinity is not Jahwe.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    No disagreement here, but that's the case for Judaism (especially the Kabbalistic variant) and Islam too.
    No wonder, since the Bible and Koran base on the Torah, dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Mujaheddin may not be in the same league as the Teutonic knights or the samurai warriors, but they are definitely worthy some appraisal.
    For attacking the weakest of their own people?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    eyes:
    Well?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    If you don't care about sounding ridiculous, then it's not my problem either
    It is clear who sounds ridiculous here.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I have a private library of a few hundred books, booklets, magazines and flyers of which many were either published during the high days of national-socialism or they deal with a related topic. Others are communist, colonial, "democratic", zionist, anti-globalist, ... literature.
    That's cool. Now comes the next step: studying reality and learning to think for your own and drawing conclusions.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I have copies of "Mein Kampf", "Das Kapital", "The House that Hitler built", "Hitler's Willing Executioners", "The Holocaust Industry", "Into the Darkness", "What to do with Germany", a book by Trotsky on Stalin, you name it. I don't read just two sides but every possible angle I can see it from.
    You would not be a real NS if you would not take NS literature for serious and anything else for false...
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    They're a well-known example.
    NS is not very popular with the descendants of the Vikings.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    What about the Teutonic Knights? It still was one of the high days of Prussia, in spite of Christianity
    What's with them? They created modern Prussia by waging war against the native population.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    NS is nothing but the application of the old Germanic heathen lore within a 20th century context.
    I start to think you are serious.
    There is not much further away from old Germanic heathen lore and way of living than NS.
    NS is a 20th century totaliarism, it is about time to think about something that works today. There is no 2nd chance if it failes this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The boyscouts pale in comparison with the Wangervögel and later organisations inspired by it. They combined walks through the snowy woods a few towns away with poetry and historical tours around ancient castles. They did geneological research after their own family trees and they looked through archives for information and/or objects related to their family. They studies the landscapes, the trees, the herbs, the architecture and the customs of both rural and urban society. They tried to let the young individual become one with his environment and his bloodline and thereby gain adulthood.
    The boyscouts taught me much, but today I do not need anyone to explore nature and to do research for my ancestry.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I've seen the Blood and Soil doctrine being propagated in both popular literature such as Signal magazine as well as more obscure SS literature. Blood & Soil was far more popular than the American propaganda machine wants you to believe.
    I never said it was not popular back then. I am happy my grandma told me uch about my family before she died.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Considering the level of your arguments, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually was true :p
    I still wait for some arguments instead of claims.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Like I said, there was some disagreement regarding the position of Christianity and heathenism among the party top.
    Anything that stood not in the way of the ruling was allowed.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    They converted the masses with deception, threats, light force and bloodshed.
    So a single English monk, Wynfreth Bonifatius, spread the word with fire and sword? He even was invited by Germaic rulers to cruseade in their territories.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Sorry, but that just sounds so naieve...
    So you believe in altruism? I don't.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Hitler was far more humane to his political dissidents than the Catholic church ever was.
    Yes, the concentration camps were holiday parks in fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    What's your point?
    Do it and you will see what my point is.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I already explicitly stated that I regard Abrahamic religions compatible with Germanic heathenism in the following other (from most compatible to least compatible) : Islam, Catholicism, Protestanism, Judaism.
    Nothing is compatible with the pure teachings of the ancient Gods.
    Christianity absorbed soem customs and traditions though.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Your point? Considering that many of those Christians were of the best racial stock, I'd say race is a morey likely determinant than religion.
    Race and the surrounding culture.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Christians borrowed pretty much everything from the Germanic pagans, the Greeks, the Romans and the Jews.
    When you go back in tiem you will see the Germanic pagans got their helmets, armours etc. from the Celts. However All modern science and all technological inventions were made in the Christians realm
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    ???
    So you do not know an antique Germanic building that can be compared with e.g. the Temple of Jerusalem? Me neither.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The highest civilisations ever were destroyed around the end of the last Ice age.
    It depends what you mean with high developed. And we live in an Ice Age.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    There were several attempts to achieve that same highth of civilisation in the upcoming twelve millennia, but none ever even came close...
    Hm - too bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    perhaps with exception of Hitler Germany
    Yeah sure. What did he have what the high Ice Age civilizations also had?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Not really. Liberalism is the next logical step from Judaism to Christianity.
    Are you aware neither traditional Christianity nor Judaism inherit liberalism?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I'd say our current Western society is infinitely more corrupt than Islamic society.
    The only difference is it is lived opely here.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    They even reject supplying loans with interest
    They just name it different, have a closer look.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    National-socialism never even got close to having had its time.
    It is over and out.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    In 1939, Germany was only at the very start of its development if the greatest civilisation known to modern man, when England and France declared war on Germany.
    Er.. this corrupt totaliarism could have been the foundation of a great civilization?
    You play to much computer games.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The welfare of national-socialist Germany was about the highest of Europe. The welfare of the Stalinist USSR was about the lowest of Europe. They are exact oposites at that level at all.
    Noone denies Germany always was top.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Wasn't it some Germanic tribe that stopped them from progressing further into the West?
    An alliance of Romans, Germanics and Celts.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Not automatically. However, technological process comes with price. The more technologically adanced a society becomes, they more important it is to watch over the ways of the elders. And that's exactly what's being completely ignored during the past few decades.
    So the best thing would be having no technological advance anway?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Vanity, corruption and decadende broke their neck.
    Indeed. It also breaks our neck.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Again, this seems to be a semantic issue. In Europe, the concepts of state nationalism and Volksnationalism are recognised as distinct and very real concepts.
    There is no concept of nationalism anyway, only some theories.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Throughout history, there have been dozens of historical examples where the folk was not sovereign and part of an alien state or where the folk was divided into different states. Today, there are still several examples. Think of Flanders, Wallonia, Northern-Ireland, Tibet, Taiwan, the Basque area, Kurdistan, ...
    I know, and?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Christian Old Testament also known as the Jewish Torah contains all of these elements too. So does the Jewish Talmud.
    The Old Testament is not fully binding for Christians.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Don't get me wrong : I'm oposed to Germanics adhering to Islam as well as Germanics adhering to Christianity. If I would have to choose, however, I think I'd choose those adhering to Islam.
    I am intersted in why you see it this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I was referring to the "we must conquer the world" attitude. Jews still tend to take this literally, while most muslems look at it from a metaphysical perspective.
    Interesting. So what are the Jews doing exactly? Aren't they the rulers of the whole world anyway - with the exception of certain fora of course...
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Christianity has perverted our cultures, not founded them :
    So you deny the complete history and heritage of the Occident?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Joy is an important part in the life of a Germanic man
    Good, but you should become serious every then and now.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Bullshit. That's just complete and utter bullshit.
    Because you say so? Your indoctrination makes you blind.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    First of all, the war was not started by Germany but by England.
    The Brits declared war after Germany attacked Poland.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Second, I don't see you how can blame the loser of a war he never wanted for the events that took place afterwards, when that loser is crushed in every way possible.
    The total war led to a total defeat. The war was planned and started by the German leadership - so what?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Hitler's dream was the exact oposite of the mess we have today.
    I can imagine, yet he cleared the path for multiculturalism.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    For our current situation, the English and American elite of the '30s and '40s are entirely to blame and the Jewish part of that elite has the biggest score to pay.
    It was a mistake to attack and lose against them.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I don't see why not. Ancient Germanic society had its strongmen too, some of which became kings and other arristocrats.
    Oh really? That's why you prefer a mass movement like NS I presume...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Over the centuries Christian nations like Germany, Sweden, England... remained genetically pure whilst the Islamic people became highgly mogrelized.
    What about Russia, Poland, Hungary, Croatia? Christianity didn't help much there eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Who said they were? There is a certain percentage of mixed people, but the Arab occupation did not leave a huge genetical impact since most Moors were converted Spaniards.
    :033102st: You said so! That was exactly my point, if it weren't for the racial composition of most Muslims, it wouldn't be much more of a threat than Christianity.
    However, you seem to have problems to differentiate between religion and race.
    The religion alone, is not worse than Christianity, arguably better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    What is fact?
    That it was Christianity which stopped Islam invaders, maybe it was just us Germanics and the spirit of freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I do not see what is less degenerated with e.g. 18th century absolutism.
    http://www.mises.org/hoppeintro.asp

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    But this was not the case before.
    Before? You mean before the common man actually could read the Bible for himself? 0000:
    Yes, I agree as long as the Bible was filtered through a Germanic will for power, Christianity was better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    The original meaning is a master was allowed to hit his slave on the right cheek, but when he hits the slave on his left cheek he did it as man and the slave was allowed to defend himself as man.
    Which Christian sect follows this interpretation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Isn't tribalism nice?
    Yes, it is, always a good competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Which tribes?
    The Germanic tribes. We need a bottom-up strategy anyway, first we will have to start with a centralized strong government (NS) and support clan life, out of this clans tribes will emerge, which then will need to fight for power the government used to have, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Currently the rulers try to unite all Europeans within this monstrous EU with a central government.
    : Yes, what is the relation here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    This does not change the fact converting to Islam is as much treacherous as converting to Judaism.
    Or like converting to Christianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    History shows many Jews assimilated, that's why the term "assimilation-Jew" was coined. I just remind the 100 000 Jews that fought for Germany in WW1 of whom about
    10 000 died.
    The Jews who fought in WW1 did not a automatically convert. History shows us that most Jews actually did not convert, and this is fact, that a fraction actually did so is the nature of the rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Since most Germanics volunteerd in converting to Christianity I doubt you have understood for what both religions stand.
    They volunteered under false premises, like Chlodwig who simply thought that "Jahwe" was stronger than "Wotan", and not because he believed in the teachings of Christ.
    As I said before most Germanics couldn't even read the Bible, when do you think the first Bible in frankish emerged?
    Before that they either converted like their masters or they shared the fate of Widukind.
    The arguably most devastating war in German(ic) history was the 30 years war, where the united Christian brothers fought for their love cherishing religion

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    It is universal, since they do no recognize others to be worthy.
    I can't follow your logic, if others are not worthy, then it is not universal, universal means that everyone can join, this is the case in Islam and in Christianity, with a minimum amount of prerequisites, not so in the Jewish faith.

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    He was mentioned in his thread.
    Now, I am supposed to know him? Like admitted yourself, people who claim to be part of a religion are not necessarily part of it.

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    More than 1400 years, many Germanics converted to Christianity as subjects of the Roman Empire.
    How many, source? How many could read the Latin Bible back then?

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    Christianity was very attractive for the common folk.
    What was told to them, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    When?
    There were bloody confrontations, but it is wrong to claim Christianity was mainly forced on Germanics i.e. native Europeans.
    Well, at least it is true for the region I come from, without the backing of the sword, most missionaries would have returned home dead.
    Widukind the most notable example, with the resulting burning of all Germanic heathen writings, etc.

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    So e.g. Judaism is pacifist and has no pro-life values?
    It has, but also their unique understanding of Goyims,

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    Since you permanently refer to tribalsim, here is a quote of the Danish archeologist Broholm for you:
    "We fully realize that the people of the Bronze Age were not highly civilized people but a primitive people, whose art is on a level with the products of certain negro tribes."

    So when will you start to praise African tribalism instead of Islamic tribalism?
    So what equivalent to the Nebra skydisk that has been found in Africa?
    Those idiot academics who always speak of absolute truth can't be taken seriously to begin with, the only truth is that we know too little to make such judgments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Currently both are successfully getting rid of us. In our own homelands.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Then, why is there a permanent latent sympathy for Muslims? Because they hate Jews?
    I have no latent sympathy for Muslims, but they are pro-life, they "fuck German bitches" while protecting their kin, they kill for honor and for family, etc.
    In some regards they are not as degenerated as we are. Makes me envy them at best, but I have no sympathy for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Over the centuries Jews and Muslims cooperated and worked together in their fight against the Christian Europeans, look at the Jewish advisers of Queen Elizabeth and the Sultan who managed to make Spain waging war against England.
    You still seem incapable of differentiating between race and religion. If Europeans where Islamic, and and Arabs Christian it would be the same just the other way around.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    You would not be a real NS if you would not take NS literature for serious and anything else for false...
    That's not only completely wrong, but also plain offensive. As long as you don't get rid of your ridiculous prejudice, I see no point in continuing out discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    What about Russia, Poland, Hungary, Croatia? Christianity didn't help much there eh?
    Christianity made Russia an unique empire, neither Poland, Hungary nor Croatia are islamized, so what is your point?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    :033102st: You said so! That was exactly my point, if it weren't for the racial composition of most Muslims, it wouldn't be much more of a threat than Christianity.
    How so? Do you think an Islamic Europe ever would have played any role in matters of science? Genetical superiority can be cancelled by ideologies -> see liberal democracy or communism.
    It is interesting you permantly refer to Christianity as threat. I am an atheist, I refuse all religions, from my experience Christianity is the least threat of all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    However, you seem to have problems to differentiate between religion and race.
    Since Islam is a completely foreign religion of foreign races I see no need to
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    The religion alone, is not worse than Christianity, arguably better.
    Why?
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    That it was Christianity which stopped Islam invaders, maybe it was just us Germanics and the spirit of freedom
    So e.g. Meds had no spirit of freedom when e.g. England allied with the Osman Empire against Spain?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Interesting site. I am not sure we currently have a feudalism or absolutism, I say soemthing between - corrupt gangs control everything with absolutistic power and do their best to prevent people from participating in politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Before?
    Sure - otherwise there would not have been Christian marthyrs. And there were many.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    You mean before the common man actually could read the Bible for himself? 0000:
    You can, did you do it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Yes, I agree as long as the Bible was filtered through a Germanic will for power, Christianity was better.
    Germanic will power - sounds like taken from a role-play. Do you think e.g. Slavic Mediterranean people have no willpower?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Which Christian sect follows this interpretation?
    It is no interpretation, it is the original meaning, afaik none of the sects uses it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Yes, it is, always a good competition.
    A competition for what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The Germanic tribes. We need a bottom-up strategy anyway, first we will have to start with a centralized strong government (NS) and support clan life, out of this clans tribes will emerge, which then will need to fight for power the government used to have, etc.
    Sounds utopic. But I wish you good luck with that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    : Yes, what is the relation here?
    I just replaced tribes with European ethnicities.
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    Or like converting to Christianity.
    Hm, since Christianity is part of the European heritage I would not consider it as treason on the same level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The Jews who fought in WW1 did not a automatically convert. History shows us that most Jews actually did not convert, and this is fact, that a fraction actually did so is the nature of the rule
    Who said they converted? Noone. They saw themselves as Germans despite their Jewishness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    They volunteered under false premises, like Chlodwig who simply thought that "Jahwe" was stronger than "Wotan", and not because he believed in the teachings of Christ.
    As I said before most Germanics couldn't even read the Bible, when do you think the first Bible in frankish emerged?
    Before that they either converted like their masters or they shared the fate of Widukind.
    You simply never have cared for the early medieval era - the people did not need to read the Bible to inherit the teachings they were taught.
    Arabia today has one of the highest rate of illiterates, yet people believe in Allah and follow the customs they have been taught.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The arguably most devastating war in German(ic) history was the 30 years war, where the united Christian brothers fought for their love cherishing religion
    It was a war about political power in the first place. Theological issues only were interesting under the aspect of political power and influence (influence of pope etc.).
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    I can't follow your logic, if others are not worthy, then it is not universal, universal means that everyone can join, this is the case in Islam and in Christianity, with a minimum amount of prerequisites, not so in the Jewish faith.
    But you can join. Just look at the unpleasent number of Germanic converting to Judaism out of guit complexes, marriage etc.. They see their faith as binding - like e.g. their Jahwe surely wont spare any Goym in Aramgeddon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Now, I am supposed to know him? Like admitted yourself, people who claim to be part of a religion are not necessarily part of it.
    Well, it was posted here, you could have left a comment. He claims to be a NS, so it should be more of your interest than of mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    How many, source? How many could read the Latin Bible back then?
    There is no exact number, fact is Christians founded an underground culture as they were persecuted. They surely would not have done so if they had been forced to convert and did not know what their faith was about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    What was told to them, yes.
    Obviously they predominantly liked it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Well, at least it is true for the region I come from, without the backing of the sword, most missionaries would have returned home dead.
    Obviously the God of the Christians has proven to be the stronger one then. There was no widespread resistance against Christianity, this foreign faith merged with local religions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Widukind the most notable example, with the resulting burning of all Germanic heathen writings, etc.
    He is noteable since he was almost the only one resisting this much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    It has, but also their unique understanding of Goyims,
    There are Jews that are secularized afterall...
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    So what equivalent to the Nebra skydisk that has been found in Africa?
    What does this have to do with the question? Subsaharan Africa never has had any high civilization, whereas Egypt surely has this or that artefact that could compete
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Those idiot academics who always speak of absolute truth can't be taken seriously to begin with, the only truth is that we know too little to make such judgments.
    So you expect to unearth Germanic architecture that can compete with the temple of Jerusalem one day?
    I hope nothing is found, because I would not want to have something like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    I have no latent sympathy for Muslims, but they are pro-life, they "fuck German bitches" while protecting their kin, they kill for honor and for family, etc.
    What they call honour is no honour.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    In some regards they are not as degenerated as we are. Makes me envy them at best, but I have no sympathy for them.
    For example? Suicide attacks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    You still seem incapable of differentiating between race and religion. If Europeans where Islamic, and and Arabs Christian it would be the same just the other way around.
    What would be the same just the other way round?
    When men cease to fight — they cease to be — Men.
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    Germanic preservation & islam

    Could Germans have become Muslim if, Muslim conquerors had not been pushed back by Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer) at the battle of Poitiers in 732 ? Probably yes. The result would have been that Islam would show a quite different face from what it has become since then. More nordicized, more organized, with a real clergy, and probably a separation between the spiritual and the temporal. Besides the maintaining of pork consuming and of alcohol (like Tatars do), Germans would have been more warlike than ever, and would have remained polygamists. The demographic expansion of northern Europe would therefore have been less important, as it was the case for the Arabs during the middle age, since polygamy limits the required security and safety for giving birth. Polygamy favors also selection : only the richest, the coarser and the stronger, would have been allowed to marry. Hence, the alpinization process in most of Europe would have been less achieved. Such countries like Switzerland and France would look like Albania, people spitting in the street rather than affecting the mercantile smile so common among Europeans. On the other hand, women being less affordable, homosexuality or, at least, incestuous pedophilia would have been an unavoidable pass for any young male seeking a first experience.

    Can a German preservationist become Muslim today ? The response is yes and no. Muslim is more than just a religion: it is a community, known as the Sunna, where racial distinctions are prohibited and considered as penal offences. Once you enter in Islam, your first duty will be marrying an Arab woman so that you can link your ancestry with the family of the Prophet. With some luck you will be the head of the Benimüller or of the Benijones. There is no such uniformising religion than Islam. Half of the Muslim countries now speak Arab, where they used to speak Berberian, Egyptian, Greek, Assyrian, Somali, Ethiopian, Peul, Tebu, Founde or Haoussa. All of them are more or less mixed with black Africans because of the extensive practice of slavery and the recurring conversion as the only way to escape slavery. In the remaining countries, half of the vocabulary stems directly from the Arab, Salam Aleikoum being the common words to salute each others from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

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