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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Based on what? There is absolutely nothing individualistic about semitic cultures. They all are partly founded on collectivist tripe. Christianity's individualistic elements came from the ancient Greek philosophers, not from Judaism. Germanic cultures also later inherited them, and again not from Judaism.
    Individualism stems from the mercantile attitude of making profit as a first priority. They implemented a sort of social darwinism on the economical world and their ways led to exploitation and greed. Jews and Phoenicians have been the masters herein throughout a significant part of our ancient history. The Greeks and the Romans adopted part of this individualism and mercantillism, which would eventually lead to their destructions as great realms of civilisation.

    It is from the decaying Greek and Roman civilisations that Christianity inherited its individualist nature. This is not a gift, but a curse upon the Germanic populace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Besides that, the Islamic Republic of Iran is one of the most nationalist nations in the world. Islamic organisations like Hamaz and Hezbollah are also very nationalist.
    Wrong, it is not nationalist but theocratic. Nationalists, NS in particular, are tortured and imprisoned there. Both Hamas and Hezbllah are not nationalistic but theocratic.
    Maybe this is of interest for you: http://www.zionists.com/
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Judaism preaches for all gentiles to become slaves of the Jews.
    Islam preaches to conquer the whole world and to subdue everyone to the will of Allah.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    There isn't a religion more anti-Germanic than Judaism.
    Because they enslave us all?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Holy Trinity is a pagan element that dates back to Babylonian times and they can be found in Kabbalism, Asatru, Hinduism and various other religions. It is one of the pagan elements in Catholicism that are left out in Protestantism.
    I never said otherwise - thanks for contradicting yourself again.
    Undoubedly many parts of the Bible are older than the Jews, and have pagan origins.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Islam has many of the same tribalist values that were present in ancient Germanic society but that were completely destroyed by centuries of Christianity. Think of the Holy status of family and the importance of honour and courage.
    What exactly are tribalist values? If you ask me, I say Africa and African animism is even more tribalist than the Islamic reign, I just do not understand what it could have to do with us Germanics. An African or Indian warriors are examples of honour and courage, but surely not Muslims.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    You should look in the mirror when you make such claims.
    You could make it harder to debunk you next time, how's that
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    In all my time on this forum, I can't remember any sensible post that came from you.
    That's not my problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I get my knowledge on NS from the source.
    You have a transcendental connection to the ghosts of Adolf, Heinrich and Ernst?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    You probably get it from post-war propaganda lies and distortions eyes:
    I read both sides and have my own opinion. You just render propaganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Are you saying that the vikings didn't hold parades when they returned from their fishing trips or one of their long journeys abroad?
    So Vikings are representative for the Germanic people as such? I doubt they were goosestepping around...
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I don't see how one would contradict the other.
    To say it in simple words: NS is an alien concept for Germanics, it is an artifical product of the new age.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Wandervögel introduced the custom of hiking through the country during all seasons and weather, singing traditional songs, dancing traditional dances and various other traditional activities around the end of the 19th century. Various other organisations would later follow their example, including the Hitler Youth. Besides that, however, there were numerous organisations dedicated to preserving or researching various elements of Germanic culture.
    That's surely dinky, I have been a boyscout myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Let's also not forget that the Blood & Soil doctrine of Darré promoted the return to the countryside and the abandonment of urban life. etc.
    Let's not forget he was not taken seriously by the NS bonzes.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    You apparently have no idea what you're talking about.
    What a luck I have you - so I can learn something new every day.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Third Reich used a mixture of pagan and Christian symbolism. They did use the Christian cross, but they also used the swastika, the solar wheel, the runes, the Irminsul and various other pagan symbols. Some Third Reich leaders were still connected to their Christian identity, while others rejected it completely. That's probably the reason of this inconsistency.
    Exactly, the 3rd Reich promoted everything in a colourful mixture. Why were Christian symbols used sinnce Christianity is Judaism for Goym?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The old religion provided all the answers the people needed. The new religion did not.
    Sure, that's why they connverted in masses.
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    If this had not been the case, the pope would never have allowed so many pagan elements to be adopted into Christianity.
    Exactly, nothing ever is done without ulteriour motives.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Besides, there are various historical records on violent conversions of Germanic tribes.
    There are, like there are records people opposing NS were sent to concetration-camps.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    What's your point?
    Just dress like a Krampus and go to the mosque of your choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Krampus is one of the pagan element incorporated in Catholicism. Holland and Belgium have their own equivalent of the Saint Nicolas figure and the Krampus and so do other parts of the Germanic world.
    I know - you see now traditional Christianity is way different from Judaism? Fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    I see no reason why Islam would have held back science more than Christianity has done.
    Then compare the number of invetions made by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Let's remind you of the fact that the Islamic world was scientifically more advanced than ours during the Middle-Ages.
    Let's remind they copied everything from Greek, Hindus and Christians and did not invent anything themselves.
    But never mind, just compare antic Jewish architecture with Germanic architecture...
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The adoption of Christianity was but the first step in the gradual process of decay.
    Christianity created mighty empires and was teh foundation of teh highest developed civilization ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The "renaissance", the "enlightenment" and the "Industrial Revolution" are examples of further steps in that process.
    These ideologiy of liberalism stands in contradiction to traditional Christianity. Just have a look at the Islamic society, rotten to the core even without having had liberalism and enlightment.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    There are a lot of similarities between national-socialism on one hand and Stalinism or Maoism on the other hand. I wouldn't deny that, although the underlying ideology is completely oposite in many ways.
    They all have something in common: They have had their time.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    National-socialism is based on blood & soil, while communism is based on class. This already leads to significant differences between the two.
    Prolet-aryans and proletarians, I know.
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    How were the Germanic tribes technologically inferior to the Huns?!?! eyes:
    Just compare the mounted bow and arrow fighters and how in was the Huns having caused the Völkerwanderung.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    You're confusing technological progress with progress in general. That's where you're wrong. During the last 10 centuries, technological progress has gone hand in hand with social and spiritual corruption.
    I doubt technologiacal progress automatically goes hand in hand with social and spiritual corruption.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    The Roman empire underwent the same process.
    Technological superiority made them big and powerful, the disrespect of their own rules broke their neck.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    A state is a legal entity, defined by a plot of lands with borders around it. A Volk is an ethno-cultural group that is unique and distinct from other ethno-cultural groups. The term "nation" can refer to both state or Volk as well as a state that represents the Volk. You're mixing up definitions.
    I do not mix up definitions, I do not acknowledge the term nation for anything else than I described.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    State nationalism is a sort of nationalism where loyalty is not to the Volk but to all people living in the state, regardless of race or creed.
    That's not nationalism, that's constitutional patriotism.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Volksnationalism is a sort of nationalism where loyalty is not to the state but to the Volk living in it. A state nationalist and a Volksnationalist could see one another as traitors when the state incorporates elements foreign to the Volk.
    What sense does it make to seperate folk from soil?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Islam is no more or less retarted than Christianity.
    How so? Does Christianity promote violence, rape, prostitution and these things?
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Jews don't easily accept newcomers in their midst. Still, a Germanic person turning Jewish would be a race traitor, since Judaism is inherently anti-Germanic because of its desire to enslave all non-Jews in favor of the "chosen people".
    True, and a Germanic converting to Islam is a race traitor as well, because Islam is anti-Germanic too. There is no good an da bad semitic cult; both are bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    While some interprettations of both Christianity and Islam may be little different, only Judaism has continued such an attitude up until today as a standard.
    So Christianity promotes circumcizion, halal/kosher butchering etc? No, but Judaism and Islam do, since they are closely related.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    No more than a Germanic Christian.
    Christianity has founded a culture here. So traditional Christians that are genetically Germanic surely can stand for Germanic preservation.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Nice you have preserved your sense of humour in these days.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Without Christianity, there wouldn't have been liberalism. Without liberalism, there wouldn't have been multi-culturalism. It's all connected.
    Without NS we neither would have multiculturalism, since it was them starting and losing a war against liberal democracies and supported the breakthrough of multiculturalism.
    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    Our pagan ancestors would never have allowed silly ideologies like liberalism and multi-culturalism to indoctrinate the masses.
    They neither would have accepted a Führer.
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    The rest, I leave up to Jäger to debunk as it are his words you're replying to.
    Yawn - there won't be much of debunking, just hackneyed phrases again and again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    The point is it was Christianity that ensured we did not end up as a mongrel race like any folk that was conquered by Islam.
    Well, this claim is impossible to refute nor is it possible to proof it, however when making such a broad claim you should substitute it with your thoughts.
    And I don't really consider Spaniards mongrels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    The fact, Christianity i.e. the official churches are now the spearhead of multiculturalism and liberal democracy does not change this fact.
    Uh, now it is already a fact, then provide evidence, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Name me one epoch that was not degenerated.
    Ice Age Seriously, everything before 19th century was less degenerated.
    Degeneration happens when we praise the weak. (Like Christians do)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    These were military alliances, and no attempt to found a national state.
    Actually, that's not that clear, furthermore, story is that the Armin got murdered because he wanted more than just a military alliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    So what's your idea of a modern tribalistic society with a common organization?
    I'd prefer a federation within a national state.
    A federation of tribes, united within a national state It is more a question of rule, what can the tribe/clan decide and what is business of the central government.
    That's pretty much federalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Judaism asserts the claim to be universal, that's why non-worshippers are described as Goym/Gentiles (unworthy people).
    Doesn't matter what they claim, you are Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother, converting to Judaism is comparably a lot harder than in the other abrahamian religions, in Islam you just have to say a sentence, and in Christianity, every other Christian can baptize you into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    So why can this not be compared?
    Because history shows us that Judaism neither converted the host, nor did they as parasites convert. Islam and Christianity did so on many occasions, mostly by force, which indicates that they actually do want to impose their universalism, Jews talk much if the day is long, but the unwillingness to embrace others into their religion is proof enough, that they are not universal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I did not check your vote - I saw you did not protest against Muslim Myatt being a pro-Germanic activist.
    I don't know him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Christianity is a native religion since about 2000 years in Germanic countries
    More like 1400 years, at best. Just taking the leadership, not the common folk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    whereas Islam and Judaism infiltrate our societies, kill, rape, loot, outsmart and cheat us.
    I agree, the same Christianity did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Please elaborate on what exactly makes it a lesser threat.
    It has pro-life values, which mostly result from tribal societies, and it is non-pacifist.
    Yet, don't think I would say it is no threat at all, or that we should even decide between these evils, the only way is to get rid of both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Which point of it makes it desirable for NS?
    None.
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    My answer is a big NO. Anyone who think that the average Muslim/islamist is interested in preserving Germanic heritage must be totally ignorant to what's happening on the streets of Europe. These people are our new enemy, and I find it pathetic how some people whine about the dangerous j00s, but are totally blind to the fact that we are currently on the path to extinction thanks to Muslim immigration. What Islam can and can not be in the future doesn't matter. What matters is here and now.

    There's never going to be a Germanic version of Islam. Our race, and culture will be extinct long before that happens. People, please get your priorities in order. If you just hate the "j00s", go join Hamas & Co, but if you're truly concerned with the preservation of Germanic heritage you fight Islam like our future depends on it. Because it does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Looking at the situation of what is left of "Germanic" in England, I would have to say certainly not! We are being taken over by Pakistani tribesmen ; I assure you all , they are not interested in Germanic preservation - but in exploiting whatever remains to their own advantage. In this task they appeared to be assisted by the government!.:o
    A similar situation occurs in Australia
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    I checked "Other". Overall, I don't see how the overrunning of Germanic lands by Muslim immigrants can be at all a good thing, and the two cultures appear to be about as incompatible as incompatibility gets.

    My reservation is mainly out of my wariness of categorical exclusions in general as obstacles to the flexibility that keeps us fit to survive. I am sure some genius might find a way to reconcile these opposites and pull it off in a non-kooky way. It would surprise me, though.

    If we take a broader geographic and historical perspective, we might find some strange hybrids. For example, could the Vandals have had any influence on the development of North Africa? Or has there been much Germanic influence on Turkey, within Turkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Wrong, it is not nationalist but theocratic.
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    Both Hamas and Hezbllah are not nationalistic but theocratic.
    Aren't both compatible?

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    Nationalists, NS in particular, are tortured and imprisoned there.
    There can be different competing nationalist fractions, you know?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Islam preaches to conquer the whole world and to subdue everyone to the will of Allah.
    Unlike the Jewish equivalent, this can be interpretted differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    There isn't a religion more anti-Germanic than Judaism.
    Because they enslave us all?
    Yes. At least, that's their ultimate goal according to Talmudic prophecy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I never said otherwise - thanks for contradicting yourself again.
    Where did I contradict myself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Undoubedly many parts of the Bible are older than the Jews, and have pagan origins.
    No disagreement here, but that's the case for Judaism (especially the Kabbalistic variant) and Islam too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    What exactly are tribalist values? If you ask me, I say Africa and African animism is even more tribalist than the Islamic reign, I just do not understand what it could have to do with us Germanics. An African or Indian warriors are examples of honour and courage, but surely not Muslims.
    Mujaheddin may not be in the same league as the Teutonic knights or the samurai warriors, but they are definitely worthy some appraisal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    You could make it harder to debunk you next time, how's that
    eyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    In all my time on this forum, I can't remember any sensible post that came from you.
    That's not my problem.
    If you don't care about sounding ridiculous, then it's not my problem either

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    You have a transcendental connection to the ghosts of Adolf, Heinrich and Ernst?
    I have a private library of a few hundred books, booklets, magazines and flyers of which many were either published during the high days of national-socialism or they deal with a related topic. Others are communist, colonial, "democratic", zionist, anti-globalist, ... literature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I read both sides and have my own opinion. You just render propaganda.
    I have copies of "Mein Kampf", "Das Kapital", "The House that Hitler built", "Hitler's Willing Executioners", "The Holocaust Industry", "Into the Darkness", "What to do with Germany", a book by Trotsky on Stalin, you name it. I don't read just two sides but every possible angle I can see it from.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    So Vikings are representative for the Germanic people as such?
    They're a well-known example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I doubt they were goosestepping around...
    What about the Teutonic Knights? It still was one of the high days of Prussia, in spite of Christianity

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    To say it in simple words: NS is an alien concept for Germanics, it is an artifical product of the new age.
    NS is nothing but the application of the old Germanic heathen lore within a 20th century context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    That's surely dinky, I have been a boyscout myself.
    The boyscouts pale in comparison with the Wangervögel and later organisations inspired by it. They combined walks through the snowy woods a few towns away with poetry and historical tours around ancient castles. They did geneological research after their own family trees and they looked through archives for information and/or objects related to their family. They studies the landscapes, the trees, the herbs, the architecture and the customs of both rural and urban society. They tried to let the young individual become one with his environment and his bloodline and thereby gain adulthood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Let's also not forget that the Blood & Soil doctrine of Darré promoted the return to the countryside and the abandonment of urban life. etc.
    Let's not forget he was not taken seriously by the NS bonzes.
    I've seen the Blood and Soil doctrine being propagated in both popular literature such as Signal magazine as well as more obscure SS literature. Blood & Soil was far more popular than the American propaganda machine wants you to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    What a luck I have you - so I can learn something new every day.
    Considering the level of your arguments, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually was true :p

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Exactly, the 3rd Reich promoted everything in a colourful mixture. Why were Christian symbols used sinnce Christianity is Judaism for Goym?
    Like I said, there was some disagreement regarding the position of Christianity and heathenism among the party top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Sure, that's why they connverted in masses.
    They converted the masses with deception, threats, light force and bloodshed.

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    If this had not been the case, the pope would never have allowed so many pagan elements to be adopted into Christianity.
    Exactly, nothing ever is done without ulteriour motives.
    Sorry, but that just sounds so naieve...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Besides, there are various historical records on violent conversions of Germanic tribes.
    There are, like there are records people opposing NS were sent to concetration-camps.
    Hitler was far more humane to his political dissidents than the Catholic church ever was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Just dress like a Krampus and go to the mosque of your choice.
    What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I know - you see now traditional Christianity is way different from Judaism? Fine.
    I already explicitly stated that I regard Abrahamic religions compatible with Germanic heathenism in the following other (from most compatible to least compatible) : Islam, Catholicism, Protestanism, Judaism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Then compare the number of invetions made by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
    Your point? Considering that many of those Christians were of the best racial stock, I'd say race is a morey likely determinant than religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Let's remind they copied everything from Greek, Hindus and Christians and did not invent anything themselves.
    Christians borrowed pretty much everything from the Germanic pagans, the Greeks, the Romans and the Jews.

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    But never mind, just compare antic Jewish architecture with Germanic architecture...
    ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Christianity created mighty empires and was teh foundation of teh highest developed civilization ever.
    The highest civilisations ever were destroyed around the end of the last Ice age. There were several attempts to achieve that same highth of civilisation in the upcoming twelve millennia, but none ever even came close... perhaps with exception of Hitler Germany

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    These ideologiy of liberalism stands in contradiction to traditional Christianity.
    Not really. Liberalism is the next logical step from Judaism to Christianity.

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    Just have a look at the Islamic society, rotten to the core even without having had liberalism and enlightment.
    I'd say our current Western society is infinitely more corrupt than Islamic society. They even reject supplying loans with interest

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    They all have something in common: They have had their time.
    National-socialism never even got close to having had its time. In 1939, Germany was only at the very start of its development if the greatest civilisation known to modern man, when England and France declared war on Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Prolet-aryans and proletarians, I know.
    The welfare of national-socialist Germany was about the highest of Europe. The welfare of the Stalinist USSR was about the lowest of Europe. They are exact oposites at that level at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Just compare the mounted bow and arrow fighters and how in was the Huns having caused the Völkerwanderung.
    Wasn't it some Germanic tribe that stopped them from progressing further into the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I doubt technologiacal progress automatically goes hand in hand with social and spiritual corruption.
    Not automatically. However, technological process comes with price. The more technologically adanced a society becomes, they more important it is to watch over the ways of the elders. And that's exactly what's being completely ignored during the past few decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    Technological superiority made them big and powerful, the disrespect of their own rules broke their neck.
    Vanity, corruption and decadende broke their neck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    I do not mix up definitions, I do not acknowledge the term nation for anything else than I described.
    I got my definition from a nationalist politician with a doctorate in classic languages, who's of Flemish origin and who lived some time in the States. I'd say that qualifies as an authority figure.

    Anyway, it seems like we're discussing semantics here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    That's not nationalism, that's constitutional patriotism.
    Again, this seems to be a semantic issue. In Europe, the concepts of state nationalism and Volksnationalism are recognised as distinct and very real concepts.

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    Volksnationalism is a sort of nationalism where loyalty is not to the state but to the Volk living in it. A state nationalist and a Volksnationalist could see one another as traitors when the state incorporates elements foreign to the Volk.
    What sense does it make to seperate folk from soil?
    Throughout history, there have been dozens of historical examples where the folk was not sovereign and part of an alien state or where the folk was divided into different states. Today, there are still several examples. Think of Flanders, Wallonia, Northern-Ireland, Tibet, Taiwan, the Basque area, Kurdistan, ...

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    Islam is no more or less retarted than Christianity.
    How so? Does Christianity promote violence, rape, prostitution and these things?
    The Christian Old Testament also known as the Jewish Torah contains all of these elements too. So does the Jewish Talmud.

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    True, and a Germanic converting to Islam is a race traitor as well, because Islam is anti-Germanic too. There is no good an da bad semitic cult; both are bad.
    Don't get me wrong : I'm oposed to Germanics adhering to Islam as well as Germanics adhering to Christianity. If I would have to choose, however, I think I'd choose those adhering to Islam.

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    While some interprettations of both Christianity and Islam may be little different, only Judaism has continued such an attitude up until today as a standard.
    So Christianity promotes circumcizion, halal/kosher butchering etc? No, but Judaism and Islam do, since they are closely related.
    I was referring to the "we must conquer the world" attitude. Jews still tend to take this literally, while most muslems look at it from a metaphysical perspective.

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    Christianity has founded a culture here. So traditional Christians that are genetically Germanic surely can stand for Germanic preservation.
    Christianity has perverted our cultures, not founded them :

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    Nice you have preserved your sense of humour in these days.
    Joy is an important part in the life of a Germanic man

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    Without NS we neither would have multiculturalism, since it was them starting and losing a war against liberal democracies and supported the breakthrough of multiculturalism.
    Bullshit. That's just complete and utter bullshit.

    First of all, the war was not started by Germany but by England. Second, I don't see you how can blame the loser of a war he never wanted for the events that took place afterwards, when that loser is crushed in every way possible. Hitler's dream was the exact oposite of the mess we have today. For our current situation, the English and American elite of the '30s and '40s are entirely to blame and the Jewish part of that elite has the biggest score to pay.

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    Our pagan ancestors would never have allowed silly ideologies like liberalism and multi-culturalism to indoctrinate the masses.
    They neither would have accepted a Führer.
    I don't see why not. Ancient Germanic society had its strongmen too, some of which became kings and other arristocrats.

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    [Yawn - there won't be much of debunking, just hackneyed phrases again and again.
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    Individualism stems from the mercantile attitude of making profit as a first priority.
    What? Where do you get this idea from?
    They implemented a sort of social darwinism on the economical world and their ways led to exploitation and greed. Jews and Phoenicians have been the masters herein throughout a significant part of our ancient history. The Greeks and the Romans adopted part of this individualism and mercantillism, which would eventually lead to their destructions as great realms of civilisation.
    Non sequitur. The reasons for Rome's collapse are complicated, but have very little to do with individualism at all, and certainly nothing to do with their adoption of trade.

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    Alrighty, so I was discussing with someone here about Islam. I think you can't be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist, whatcha think?
    What kinda of discussion was that? Islam is a Middle Eastern Religion devoted to Arab Militarism.

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    NO!

    For me, spirituality is spirituality, and in this sense Islam is not better or worse then any other religion. So I don't see why some germanic couldn't accept just the spiritual element of Islam. But by accepting this sphere, he also had to change his life according to Islamic rules (without force, he just would, throughout time). This is pure nonsense, for it is alien to him in every way. Arabs formed it for them self, and not us.
    And this is where we have to take the cultural element into account, wich is the more important. Germanics should therefor (for the culture, and their ancestors sake) be Christians (Europa est pax christiana, after all), for it contains many European (in your case germanic) elements like you all know. Or just be heathen, without the christian element. But follow the pagan rites in a proper way, or just give it up, and stay Christian, Agnostic or Atheist. Coming to the spiritual element again... it will also be satisfied by following those religions whos 'guide for interaction with this world' isn't alien to you.

    Life after death or not, we are connected to this world, our bodies belong here, and we belong to them (or are them). Culture is in every way the most important (or should be) for everyone. After all, it's needed for a proper identification. Without it we are no one, without roots, going nowhere. No progress there. And why live if there is no progress, in any way?
    Accepting an alien culture is heresy. And as religion is about cultural identification (and not just the spiritual element), I shall say it again. Germanics and Islam... NO!

    This is at least my humble opinion. I hope everyone understood what I mean.

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