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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Weigelt View Post
    I think the main problem with islam is that it's actually not a religion, it's a political, cultural, legal, even linguistic system backed up by a false god and false prophet who was a murderer, adulterer, rapist, thief, warlord, polygamist, pedophile, and pathological liar. A sower of discord wherever he went, Muhammad clearly invented islam to suit his own desires, lusts and megalomania. This was a dark age bedouin who had loose contact with the Jews and Christians of the time and basically what he did was he took some from the Bible, some from the local Arab pagan religion (which is why there's a moon on every mosque), and added some of his own stuff to create a new false religion to again suit himself and unite the warring Arab tribes of the time. All of this is completely the antithesis of how human beings should act, not just Germanics. This false religion, that preaches an eye for an eye and allows and encourages revenge and even lying for the sake of said false religion (the call it taquiyya or whatever) is going to destroy the world if not stopped. ....
    That may be where Islam becomes a problem other religions are not. It exceeds into spheres of life as dictating entity that are not strictly spiritual-religious. With historical main-stream Christianity, you had the teaching of two realms, a spiritual-ecclesiastical and a worldly-political one. That leaves space for human institutions that are not dictated into fine detail by some clerics and their teachings.

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    Islam, like other Abrahamic religions, is simply the anti-thesis of Germanic preservation. Also like other Abrahamic religions, it is characterized by race-mixing, mongrelization and a tendency towards socio/psychopathy. So it's not only anti-Germanic, but anti-health, anti-rationality, anti-logic.

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    No. This is a religion that glorifies rape and pedophilia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Alrighty, so I was discussing with someone here about Islam. I think you can't be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist, whatcha think?
    The realy shocking thing is, that this question was asked already TEN YEARS ago. That is to say, 4 years before the muslim flood was kicked off which is meant to overrun Europe...

    That means, already at that time people were casually, jokingly talking about the thing to come... which has been NO JOKE after all...

    Someone already at that time had spread this "idea" into the minds of people...

    Have we been prepared, have we been providently brainwashed...
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Guard View Post
    No. This is a religion that glorifies rape and pedophilia.
    But provided it would not do this? Then it would be possible?

    Islam would be feasible, would be acceptable, it just it was guaranteed that it did not support "sexual abuse"?? Is that ALL???

    So, "Germanic preservation" is just about avoiding bad things? And also avoiding bad things only if they have to do somehow with "sex"??

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    Here's a good article outlining why Islam is not compatible with either European or Germanic preservation (in short, it's a totalitarian system that aims to make everyone a Muslim; it does not accept anything else ad the purpose of jihad is to make everyone submit to Islam):

    Political Islam, a Totalitarian Doctrine

    By Dr. Bill Warner

    Totalitarianism is a political system of absolute power where the state has no limit to its authority and regulates every aspect of public and private life.

    THE NATURE OF ISLAM

    The most common assumption about Islam is that it is a religion based on the Koran. However, the religious aspect is only a small part of Islam. It is not possible to know how to pray or do any other practice of the religion with what is found in the Koran.

    Allah is found in the Koran and Mohammed is found in two texts, his biography, the Sira, which is a detailed life history and his traditions, or Hadith, are events that occurred in Mohammed’s life. The hadith is usually a few paragraphs long. A collection of his traditions (hadiths) is called the Hadith. So the Sunna is found in the Sira, his biography, and Hadith, his words and deeds.

    Over 90 verses of the Koran say that Mohammed is the perfect life pattern for all Muslims. Mohammed is the perfect Muslim and all Muslims are to pattern their life after his. He is the perfect father, husband, judge, leader, warrior, businessman and politician. His life example, what he said or did, is called the Sunna of Mohammed.

    Therefore, the totality of Islam is found in three books—Koran, Sira and the Hadith. Most people would be surprised to learn that the amount of words devoted to Mohammed is more than 6 times the size of the Koran, the words of Allah.



    Another common assumption is that to know Islam, you must learn about it from a Muslim. This is not so. Islam is Allah and Mohammed. If you read the Koran (and it has now been made understandable) and know Mohammed, you know Islam. It is critical to understand the importance of this. Whatever is in the Koran and in the Sunna, it is Islam. If something is not based on the Koran and the Sunna, no matter who says it, is not Islam. The only Muslim who is an absolute and total authority on Islam is Mohammed. Once you know Mohammed, you know the only Muslim who matters.

    This means that only those who know Mohammed and Allah can reason about Islam. A corollary is that you don’t have to be a Muslim to understand Islam. And further, since most Muslims know little about the Koran and the Sunna, their comments about Islam can be personal opinions.

    POLITICAL ISLAM

    So all of the doctrine is found in three books—Koran, Sira and Hadith, the Islamic Trilogy. If you read the Trilogy, something remarkable becomes obvious, you find that most of the doctrine is not about how to be a Muslim, but refers to the non-Muslim. The Arabic word for the non-Muslim is Kafir, sometimes translated as infidel or unbeliever.

    In Islamic doctrine there is nothing positive about the Kafir. Allah hates Kafirs and plots against them. Muslims claim that Christians and Jews are accepted under Islam and are called people of the book. But the doctrine goes further and states that the only “real” Christians are those who accept Mohammed as the final prophet, agree that the Gospels are in error, and reject the divine nature of Jesus. The real Jews are those who accept Mohammed as the final prophet and consider the Torah corrupt. If a Christian or Jew does not accept this, then they are Kafirs. Pagans, polytheists, agnostics, atheists, and all others are Kafirs as well. It is important to note that Islam claims to be the final judge of all religions. This is part of its totalitarian nature.

    It is very instructive to see what portion of each of the Trilogy texts is about the Kafir.



    More than half of Islamic doctrine concerns itself with the Kafir. The Kafir is outside of the religion of Islam, and yet is part of Islamic doctrine. This doctrinal relationship is political, not religious or cultural. Political Islam is defined as the Islamic doctrine of the Kafir; the largest part of Islam is political. Only Muslims are concerned by religious Islam, but all of humanity is affected by Political Islam.

    Islam is not a religion, but a complete civilization. Islam has a position or rule for every aspect of life. It is a religion, culture and political system, a complete way of life. If Islam were only a religion, it would be of no concern. As an example, Buddhism is a religion, how much media and political space is concerned about Buddhism? Buddhism makes no demands on a civilization. Islam makes demands on every facet of society.

    TOTALITARIANISM

    Totalitarianism is a political system of absolute power where the state has no limit to its authority and regulates most aspects of public and private life. There are no competing political parties since they would balance and limit authority. The critical element of totalitarianism is absolute power striving to rule in as many areas of life as possible.

    Totalitarianism in Islamic Doctrine

    Totalitarianism is found in the very name, Islam. Islam means submission, submission to the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed. We see the basis for absolute power in Mohammed’s life. After he went to Medina, he became a jihadist and attacked his neighbors. When he arrived in Medina, it was half Jewish. In two years, there were no more Jews left in Medina. They were exiled, assassinated, enslaved and executed. Mohammed attacked the pagans of Arabia and the Jews. After Arabia submitted to Islam, Mohammed turned to Syria and attacked the Christians.

    In the end, Political Islam will not tolerate opposition. Here is a sample of some of the Islamic political doctrine of absolute, total power:

    Koran 2:193 Fight them [Kafirs] until there is no more discord and the religion of Allah reigns absolute , …

    Here are two hadiths:

    Muslim 001, 0031 Mohammed: “I have been ordered to wage war against mankind until they accept that there is no god but Allah and that they believe I am His prophet and accept all revelations spoken through me. …

    Bukhari 4, 52, 196 Mohammed: “I have been directed to fight the Kafirs until every one of them admits, ‘There is only one god and that is Allah.’

    This doctrine, based on Mohammed’s life, is that jihad will be waged against the Kafirs until they submit to Islam. This theory causes relentless pressure in all areas of life over centuries. The doctrine is not in full force at all times, it waxes and wanes, but the pressure to bring the Sharia into power never vanishes. Today the power of Islam is increasing over the globe due to jihad and migration.

    After it enters a society, Islam rules given enough time. The result of Islamic political doctrine is that all power – political, cultural, and religious–becomes totally Islamic. The only exceptions occur when Islam is resisted by force, such as in Spain, the Balkans and at the Gates of Vienna.

    Universality of Islamic Doctrine

    1. Islam applies to the most basic details of life
    2. Every person and all nations must submit to Islamic doctrine.



    SHARIA

    Since Islam is a complete civilization, it has its own legal system called the Sharia. But Sharia is far more than a legal system of laws. It includes theology, law, philosophy, religious rituals and morals. The Sharia claims to be Allah’s law and must replace all other forms of government.

    One of the easiest ways to see the universality of Islamic doctrine is to examine a manual of Sharia law such as The Reliance of the Traveller [sic]. The topics include (but are not limited to) theology, how to pray, funerals, taxes, business law, banking law, wills, marriage, how to be a wife/husband, how to be a mother/father, sex, divorce, criminal law, apostasy, political rule over the Kafir, jihad, the dhimmi, Christians, Jews, punishment, family law, food, ethics, sex, art, dress, use of the bathroom, how to say hello, knock on a door, a structure of government, and on and on. There are few details of life that are not included in Islamic doctrine.

    Note that laws pertaining to the Kafirs are included in the Sharia. There is no one who is not included in Islamic doctrine. No one can opt out of the totalitarian Sharia.

    A TOTALITARIAN HISTORY

    After Mohammed died, Abu Bakr, his closest companion, became caliph. His first order was to attack and crush the Muslims who wanted to leave Islam. Everyone must submit to Islam and once a Muslim, you must remain a Muslim, or you can be punished.

    The next companion of Mohammed who became caliph was Umar. His ten year rule was spent in jihad conquest of the Christian and Zoroastrian Kafirs.



    The Law of Islamic Saturation

    Turkey used to be called Anatolia or Asia Minor and was a Christian civilization. Today Turkey is over 95% Muslim. North Africa, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon used to be Christian. Afghanistan was Buddhist; Pakistan and Malaysia used to be Hindu. Today they are more than 95% Muslim. Islam does not reach a balance point with the native civilization; it dominates and annihilates the indigenous culture over time.

    This process of total civilizational domination is the Law of Islamic Saturation. The doctrine calls for jihad to never cease until the native population submits to the Sharia. As time goes on, the Sharia brings about submission to Islam. The doctrine is totalitarian, so the result is totalitarian.

    Islam is the most successful totalitarian system in history. There are post-Communist societies and post-Nazi societies but, there are no post Islamic societies.
    Source: Why Islam Is A Totalitarian System And A Threat For Every Non-muslim Civilisation
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    EDIT: Replying to Schmetterling's above post:

    It's a cultural nationalist argument and though it's probably true (I haven't read the Koran), it misses the point.

    If, when Muslim immigrants arrived in the West, they dropped their religion and fully integrated into our cultures, would that be okay? It would still be replacement, and at a faster rate because integrated immigrants are more likely to settle down and have children with natives.

    This is why I avoid complaining about immigrant crime, because it does not address the central issue and also because it would put me on the same level as a lot of, frankly, idiotic scapegoaters.

    Having said that, major expressions of immigrant culture should not be allowed e.g. the burkha, minarets on mosques, the call to prayer, halal/kosher meat and elements of Shariah Law.

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    Islam is an Arab religion, like how Judaism is an Israeli religion. I'm Germanic; I don't even follow Catholicism, the Italian religion. Why bother? I guess that Aryans make up the exception to the Arab majority, but I'm not Persian either. I have almost always gone to Protestant services, other than when I was "Heathen". Either fits the Germanic profile. I tried both Catholicism and Celtic neopaganism, but they don't fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    It's a cultural nationalist argument and though it's probably true (I haven't read the Koran), it misses the point.

    If, when Muslim immigrants arrived in the West, they dropped their religion and fully integrated into our cultures, would that be okay? It would still be replacement, and at a faster rate because integrated immigrants are more likely to settle down and have children with natives.
    Don't think it does, Islam is culturally alien and that's a fair point. Course muzzies are also racial aliens so they can't be truly integrated, everyone knows that. But that's not what my question was about.

    My question was, more specifically, can a Germanic dude or gal be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist at the same time? Imagine a Germanic dude converted to Islam and joined this forum. Would ya consider him a brother in arms? I sure wouldn't. And that's where the article and those folk who argue that Islam is culturally alien to us make sense.

    When it comes to folks from the Middle East and the like, they're both racially and culturally alien. Whether they're muzzies or Christians or secular, couldn't care less - they're still alien. But what about Germanic folks who convert to Islam? There has been a rising number of them in Germany, for example. I think they're just as alien, tbh. Cause when they convert, their primary identification changes from Germanic to Muslim. That's why they join ISIS or support all these Muslim groups, they're muzzies fist, Germanics second (or last even).

    This is why I avoid complaining about immigrant crime, because it does not address the central issue and also because it would put me on the same level as a lot of, frankly, idiotic scapegoaters.
    This is a bit OT, but immigrant crime addresses the elephant in the room. Ya know why? Cause them PC politicians and lefties say it ain't got nothing to do with aliens, that crime is just crime. But it ain't. Crime has a color, ya know, and it's easily demonstrated by looking at the before & after statistics.

    Having said that, major expressions of immigrant culture should not be allowed e.g. the burkha, minarets on mosques, call to prayer, halal/kosher meat, female and male genital mutilation and elements of Shariah Law.
    Yep, those are all cultural expressions. Now imagine there weren't any camel jockeys around. Would ya like living in a pure Germanic country with such a culture? I'd say it wouldn't be Germanic anymore, even if all the folks in it were Germanics, but they'd be practicing an alien culture. So Islam and Germanic preservation ain't compatible in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Don't think it does, Islam is culturally alien and that's a fair point. Course muzzies are also racial aliens so they can't be truly integrated, everyone knows that. But that's not what my question was about.

    My question was, more specifically, can a Germanic dude or gal be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist at the same time? Imagine a Germanic dude converted to Islam and joined this forum. Would ya consider him a brother in arms? I sure wouldn't. And that's where the article and those folk who argue that Islam is culturally alien to us make sense.

    When it comes to folks from the Middle East and the like, they're both racially and culturally alien. Whether they're muzzies or Christians or secular, couldn't care less - they're still alien. But what about Germanic folks who convert to Islam? There has been a rising number of them in Germany, for example. I think they're just as alien, tbh. Cause when they convert, their primary identification changes from Germanic to Muslim. That's why they join ISIS or support all these Muslim groups, they're muzzies fist, Germanics second (or last even).


    This is a bit OT, but immigrant crime addresses the elephant in the room. Ya know why? Cause them PC politicians and lefties say it ain't got nothing to do with aliens, that crime is just crime. But it ain't. Crime has a color, ya know, and it's easily demonstrated by looking at the before & after statistics.


    Yep, those are all cultural expressions. Now imagine there weren't any camel jockeys around. Would ya like living in a pure Germanic country with such a culture? I'd say it wouldn't be Germanic anymore, even if all the folks in it were Germanics, but they'd be practicing an alien culture. So Islam and Germanic preservation ain't compatible in any way.
    My post was a comment on Schmetterling's post above, which I should probably have made clear. But since you addressed me and it's your thread, I'll answer your original question and the subsequent one

    Can an immigrant Muslim be a Germanic preservationist?
    I don't really know what the Koran allows. I'm sure an Islamic regime in England would not allow any kind of pagan/neo-pagan practices and temples. But would they continue to teach classic Germanic/European literature and music and preserve historic buildings? I really don't know. They would probably ban/destroy anything Christian or 'decadent' but Muslims are not all cookie-cut fanatics and I imagine there would be support for preserving some things.

    Can a Germanic convert to Islam be a Germanic pressie?
    How long do these conversions tend to last? I suppose it's mainly Western girls becoming Muslim to marry Muslim men. I think any Germanic native, female or male, who converts to Islam would not be the pressie type to begin with.


    I agree that, generally, immigration increases crime in the West but it looks more related to the economics of the immigrants' countries than religion. Yeah, your 'crime has a colour' point is valid but those perpetrators are not usually Muslims. If it was up to me, there'd be no more Muslim settlers in Britain and the ones here would not be allowed to breed like they are doing. But there is no honour in demonizing groups of people and I try not to indulge in that. I'll tell you about a couple of connected experiences I had as a student . . .

    I was in a launderette one day and a young head-scarfed (probably Pakistani) woman came in with a bag of things to wash. She didn't really know what she was doing and couldn't speak English but she communicated to me that she wanted help and I showed her what to do with the machines. Later, her husband (he seemed like) came in to collect her. She said something to him and pointed at me. He then thanked me (in good English) for helping her so she'd obviously wanted to show her gratitude and I found that quite touching.

    On another occasion in the same launderette, a group of older teenagers - white English boys and girls - came in carrying a crate of beer botttles and it looked like they'd already drunk a few. They put the crate down and then used the room as a soccer pitch, kicking a small ball around the place. Then one of the boys climbed onto the washing machines and lied down on them as if going to bed. I had to politely but firmly ask him to move while I put some powder in my machine. A bit later, that same boy went over to the waste-paper bin in the corner and urinated in it. Nice. Eventually these scallywags left. The contrast with the behaviour of the Muslim couple speaks for itelf.

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