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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    What we need is to protect the land that belongs to us and make no aspirations for further colonisation. After all, if we want a divide based on folkish interests as opposed to religious ones, what better dividing line than that which separates the lands of our ancestors from the lands that never belonged to them?
    Is it your position that expansion was acceptable in the past and that it is wrong now? What has changed since then? Have we 'advanced' to a point where we embraced universal human rights and other tenets of liberal faith that forbid such actions? Do you consider the possibility that this is part of our sickness?

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    Whilst I'm interested in preserving the racial make-up of Germanics, I'm as much (if not more) interested in preserving the way of life.
    None of this can be preserved, it is all subject to continuous change. What can and has to be preserved are the principles that dictate how these changes are developed and shaped in order to create an organic unit that is capable of prevailing in this universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Is it your position that expansion was acceptable in the past and that it is wrong now? What has changed since then? Have we 'advanced' to a point where we embraced universal human rights and other tenets of liberal faith that forbid such actions? Do you consider the possibility that this is part of our sickness?
    I would prefer a strong, uncompromised Germanic Western/Northern Europe to a flawed Germanic planet. So yes, I would have preferred it that our ancestors did not colonise, but they did and we must turn our attention to what is not yet done. I don't think expansion is necessarily wrong, just unnecessary. We'd do better to concentrate our efforts on existing lands rather than looking to the horizon. Whatever has changed since 'then' and 'now', ie universal human rights is not something I identify as detrimental, no. Besides, I believe ethnopluralism exists for a higher reason and those higher forces (some call it 'Mother Nature') would not allow the total dominance of one race over the entire planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    None of this can be preserved, it is all subject to continuous change. What can and has to be preserved are the principles that dictate how these changes are developed and shaped in order to create an organic unit that is capable of prevailing in this universe.
    If we don't believe Germanicism can be preserved, what are we doing here? . If we must preserve the principles which dictate change, then that rules out the adoption of new, alien principles such as Islam. If we welcome Islam then we preserve nothing - not Germanicism, not the principles which dictate change. We only preserve race as an isolated concept and nothing more. We are capable of prevailing using our own old ways. We just happen to be suffering a lull whilst Islam enjoys a high. If the principles which dictate change you are suggesting are unrelated to Islam, they must still come from within the Germanic worldview or else we will have abandoned the fundamental essence of Germanicism.

    It's all part of a big picture in my opinion. Our rulers have waged a war of cultural and spiritual destruction upon us for a long time - in my estimation since the Romans. There are hidden chains which bind us and the same binds have not been put upon the Muslim world, or have been put upon them in a less devious way. Our prevailing depends on our ability to purge the cancer from within us, not our acceptance of a new disease.
    "If by being a racialist, you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man that believes one race is inherently superior to another in civilisation or capability of civilisation, then the answer is emphatically no." - Enoch Powell

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    Surely Islam puts supreme allegience on the Umma the wider muslim community. They ultimately put their faith above their kinsfolk, so therefore I thought it would be impossible to be both a cultural preservationist and a muslim. Islam is more that a religion, its a whole philosophy for life. It wants to create an Islamic culture worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I would prefer a strong, uncompromised Germanic Western/Northern Europe to a flawed Germanic planet.
    We will have a flawed Sino-American planet and no Germanic NW Europe at all. The reason is a lack of power. The US had no such qualms when it went from 13 colonies to 50 + dependencies and is now in a much different position than Germany or England, who failed to do the same (or something better).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    If we don't believe Germanicism can be preserved, what are we doing here? .
    Which Germanicism? The current one? The one just after Christianity arrived or the one just before? The one a millenium before that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    If we must preserve the principles which dictate change, then that rules out the adoption of new, alien principles
    The principles say that we are a Germanic folk and have to develop as such in a positive direction. For this purpose we invent and steal new ideas, discard old ones and revive even older ones. Tradition just so happens to have some value of its own, but that does not trump all other considerations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    If the principles which dictate change you are suggesting are unrelated to Islam, they must still come from within the Germanic worldview or else we will have abandoned the fundamental essence of Germanicism.
    Again, which essence exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    It's all part of a big picture in my opinion. Our rulers have waged a war of cultural and spiritual destruction upon us for a long time - in my estimation since the Romans. There are hidden chains which bind us and the same binds have not been put upon the Muslim world, or have been put upon them in a less devious way. Our prevailing depends on our ability to purge the cancer from within us, not our acceptance of a new disease.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    The reason is a lack of power.
    Absolutely. Don't misconstrue my opposition to Imperialism for Pacifism. I just advocate concentrating our efforts on the land we already have.

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    Which Germanicism? The current one? The one just after Christianity arrived or the one just before? The one a millenium before that?
    The only one that exists is the current one. It might be perverted and skewed, but I'd like to see it remain somewhat intact. Islam would not leave it intact. It's bad enough that we've suffered the encroachment of one alien Abrahamic faith. A second one would surely finish Germanicism off. Either way I'd prefer not to take the risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    The principles say that we are a Germanic folk and have to develop as such in a positive direction. For this purpose we invent and steal new ideas, discard old ones and revive even older ones. Tradition just so happens to have some value of its own, but that does not trump all other considerations.
    If Islam = the Qur'an, and the Qur'an is a complete worldview, then we can not become partial Muslims. We can adopt those select aspects of the Muslim way of life that might further the preservation of Germanicism, but we can not adhere totally, for in doing so we surrender everything.
    "If by being a racialist, you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man that believes one race is inherently superior to another in civilisation or capability of civilisation, then the answer is emphatically no." - Enoch Powell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The logic is sound: "Can God create a stone that is so heavy you can't lift it?"
    This is sound, now if I substitute "you" with "he" it becomes illogical? This doesn't follow, it is no oxymoron, as you suggested, it is a paradox, he can't do both things at the same time, because they are mutually exclusive, and thus isn't all mighty
    Contrary to this, a married bachelor is indeed just a question of the definition of the words, this is not the case here.
    I beg to differ, but since we are off topic I won't make a big discussion on this thread about it.
    By the definition of God being almighty he can do anything, so by putting the word can't with him it would be illogical. Such as can God make dry water?
    Can God make a round square? These are questions that should be pondered if at all once much more important question have been answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
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    Then why not the Jewish religion, if i look at the people in power it seems Judaism is above Christianity and Islam.

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    The "Creativity Religion" is a carefully designed fully comprehensive Credo that is based on the best aspects of Judaism in practising ethnic loyalty and cohesion. It also takes the militancy of Islam and applies it to the preservation of the Germanic peoples. Whilst Creativity is open to all whites including slavs and meditteranids (in order to prevent future wars) and occasional Iranians and indo europeans it welds them into a Eugenic programme aimed at upgrading all peoples to the Germanic ideal and colonisation of the whole planet. Just as an athlete cannot aim to do third best an ethnic group must aim for totallity or fall short.
    This is Ben Klassens apraisal of Islam;
    Chapter Eleven

    Mohammedanism
    The Power of a Militant Religion

    As we observed in the first chapter of this book, all of Nature and
    the entire universe is governed by law. The entire universe,
    including our little world, is governed by the laws of Nature, which
    are universal, which are fixed, inflexible, and forever the same.
    Among these laws of Nature are the laws of survival of the species,
    which also apply most decidedly to the races of mankind. Many
    races of mankind have come and gone, and are no more. Some are
    dying out before our very eyes today. All these species, including
    the races of mankind, have their own peculiar means of defense
    and aggression, including the different species of parasites.
    Among the races of mankind we have a highly developed species
    of parasite known as the Eternal Jew. One of the outstanding
    peculiarities the Jew has developed most highly for his own
    survival is the art of deceit, conniving and trickery. The Jew is the
    undisputed master of deceit Being the masterful parasite that he is,
    he has developed the art of religion as his most powerful weapon
    to deceive, to control, to enslave, to exploit, to plunder and destroy.
    The Jew is not only a “Master of the Lie” and a skillful
    manipulator of propaganda, but he realized early in his history
    thousands of years ago what a powerful weapon is religion.
    Religion is a powerful tool in uniting a race in a common purpose.
    The Jews achieved this for their own people. They have also used
    religion to destroy their enemies, and in this respect the most
    overwhelming achievement in the history of mankind was their
    invention of Christianity to destroy the Romans.
    The Jew, in short, has invented the Old Testament in order to unify
    his own race, give them a common tradition and purpose and give
    them a meaningful program with which to plunder and destroy all
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    other races. In order to do the latter more successfully, the Jew
    also gave some of these other races, especially the White Race, a
    religion, namely Christianity, whose creed would do just the
    opposite to their victims that Judaism had done for the Jews. He
    gave the White Race a creed that would confuse and confound
    them, divide, fragmentize and disintegrate them, making them soft
    prey for the rapacious Jew. The fact that he has actually been
    successful in this fantastic conspiracy is the best proof possible that
    he has patiently and carefully planned to bring this about. As to
    how he has brought this about, we have already piled up massive
    evidence in the previous chapters, and we will continue to do so in
    the succeeding pages.
    We have also cited that wonderful White civilization of the
    grandeur that was Rome, how Rome conquered the world and
    stood supreme and unchallenged. We have shown that Rome had
    an unprecedented period of 200 years of peace and progress known
    as Pax Romana when the destructive Judeo-Christian philosophy
    began to spread its disintegrating virus through the Roman Empire.
    History tells us that by the year 313 A.D. Emperor Constantine
    became the first Christian Emperor and at that time decreed
    Christianity to be the official religion of the Empire. We have seen
    how the Romans, who fell for this suicidal advice and became
    fanatic Christians, no longer had the will to defend their homes,
    their country or their Empire, and that in another century and a
    half, by the year 476 A.D., the Roman Empire had completely
    crumbled and fallen apart. We also know that with the advent of
    Christianity, the White Race, including the ruins of the Roman
    Empire, and all of Europe, fell into a thousand years of the Dark
    Ages.
    Having heaped this horrible catastrophe on the once proud and
    powerful Roman Empire, the Jews were not content to leave the
    White Race there. As they had helped to mongrelize the Egyptian
    civilization a thousand years previously, they now wanted to make
    sure that they would mongrelize the whole White Race in Europe
    and destroy it forever.
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    In order to do this they concocted a third religion, namely
    Mohammedanism.
    It is more than a coincidence that Judaism, Christianity and
    Mohammedanism all originate in a relatively small area of Asia
    extending from Palestine to adjoining Saudi Arabia, or in other
    words, from Jerusalem to Mecca. Jews, as Benjamin Franklin has
    pointed out, are Asiatics. This small area, inhabited by Semites,
    lying east of the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, has spawned
    three religions, all of which have had an overwhelming and
    disastrous influence on the White Race.
    Whether Mohammed was a Jew or not, history is not too clear.
    There is so little difference between the Semitic Jew and the
    Semitic Arab, except for their religion, that it is hard to tell them
    apart. Mohammed was a Semite, that we know. Before he became
    the Prophet and founder of the Moslem religion he was married to
    an extremely wealthy widow who was Jewish. That the Jewish
    race as a whole had a major part in creating and promoting the
    spread of Mohammedanism is not only born out by the ensuing
    events, but is loudly proclaimed by the Jews themselves.
    It is our purpose here to show how they welded Mohammedanism
    into a powerful instrument in order lo further pursue their age-old
    goal of mongrelizing and destroying the White Race.
    We have seen how Jewish Christianity succeeded in tearing the
    Roman Empire apart and leaving it in shambles, and that by the
    year 476 A.D. Rome, as such, was no more. But what happened in
    the next few centuries following the collapse of Rome?
    It was during this time that the White Race was probably at the
    weakest and most disintegrated stage it had been in for thousands
    of years. The persistent and treacherous Jew did not want to let
    this golden opportunity pass in dealing the White Race its final
    deathblow, if possible. So what did he do? He rallied and
    organized the colored races with a new aggressive and virulent
    religion that was the very opposite from what he had injected and
    disseminated throughout the blood stream of the White Race.
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    Whereas he had conjured up a religion to inflict upon the Romans
    which told them: to turn the other cheek; to love your enemies; to
    sell what thou hast and give it to the poor; to resist not evil; and to
    judge not lest ye be judged, he gave the Arabs a dynamic religion
    which was the very antithesis of all this.
    At the very time when the White Race was at its most confused
    and disintegrated stage in history, the Moslem religion came out
    with a fierce and aggressive philosophy that inspired its adherents
    to conquer and convert by the sword. The followers of this
    virulent new religion were told that heaven was a beautiful green
    garden of bliss. Here the soul of the believer, dressed in green
    robes, lolled on green cushions, enjoyed forgiveness, fruit, wine
    and service by beautiful maidens described as black-eyed, well
    rounded of hip and buxom bosoms. The converts were told that if
    they died in battle they would immediately go to such a blissful
    heaven. This inspired the Arabs with such fervent zeal that they
    rushed into battle, caring little whether they were killed or not.
    These desert tribes, now fired with such fanatic religious zeal,
    spread Islam from India to Spain. Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, North
    Africa, Spain and Constantinople fell before the advance of the
    Moslem Empire. The Arab wars swept on victoriously and moved
    upward from Spain into the heart of France, and might have
    conquered all of White Europe. It is only by the grace of
    Providence that in 732 the great White hero, Karl Martel, defeated
    the Arabs at the Battle of Tours in France, and thereby prevented
    the conquest of all of Europe.
    How different might have been the history of Western Europe had
    the Moslems conquered! Nevertheless, they did conquer Spain and
    brought with them the Black Moors of Africa and the Semitic
    blood of the Arabs. It was not until 1492 that Isabella, the heroic
    White Queen of Spain, finally drove them out. This was a great
    year for Spain. Not only did Queen Isabella succeed in driving out
    the Moors from Spain, but also in the same year she expelled the
    Jews from Spain, and Columbus sailed for America. Having
    driven out the Moors and the Jews, Spain then began the greatest
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    and grandest period of her history and the next hundred years can
    be considered as the golden age of Spain.
    Nevertheless, the damage had been done. The almost thousand
    years of Moorish tenure in Spain and Portugal had permanently
    contaminated the blood stream of those two unfortunate nations
    and the lasting damage is apparent in their racial stock to this day.
    It is my conviction that the Jews had planned to inspire the Arab
    conquests to sweep over all of Europe and to pollute all the
    Western nations of Europe with the black blood of Africa. That
    they did not succeed in this we can all thank our lucky stars and
    thank Karl Martel, a heroic White Leader, for his historic stand at
    the Battle Tours.
    The Byzantine Empire with its capitol of Constantinople was the
    surviving eastern half of the Roman Empire after the sixth century.
    It survived almost a thousand years after the western half, with
    Rome at its head, had crumbled. The reason why it did survive
    was that it took a strong stand against the Jewish influence within
    its empire. It forbade the Jews to have any participation in
    government, or education, or medicine and in many other fields
    strictly limited their influence. Nevertheless by 1453, the Turks,
    who were at this time part of the Moslem Empire, did conquer
    Constantinople and therewith ended the Byzantine Empire, and
    with it the White predominance in Asia Minor.
    We can learn from this Moslem surge of power what a tremendous
    influence an aggressive, well-directed religion can have on a
    scattered and disorganized group of people, even though they be as
    backward as were the Arab tribes of North Africa and Arabia.
    Given a religion that united and rallied this amorphous mass of
    Arab and Bedouin tribes, it laid the foundations for the rise of an
    Arab Empire. Not only did it build a huge empire that spread as a
    continuous belt from the coasts of Western Africa to the Philippine
    Islands, but Moslems are most numerous in North Africa, the Near
    and Middle East, India and Southeast Asia. They also live in large
    compact numbers in the Caucasus, Soviet Central Asia, and in
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    China, Even in Europe there are about three million Moslems,
    living almost exclusively in the Balkan Peninsula.
    Not only did Mohammed found a new religion of which the Koran
    is the holy book, but he built a Moslem Empire, and with it a
    whole Arabian culture that survives to this day. Islam is followed
    by one Fifth of all mankind and it is continually making new
    converts at a rate faster than that of any other major religion.
    I cannot emphasize too strongly what a tremendous fountain of
    energy religion can create when it is matched properly to the
    people that embrace it. Let the White Race learn this lesson again,
    and learn it well.

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    But doesn't your article agree with other people then that islam is a anti-Germanic ''anti-white'' movement.

    Interesting aticle btw do.

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    I see it as no more anti white or anti Germanic than Christianity. If I had to list enemies in order, Islam and Communism would be well down the list. Our worst enemies are in our midst; liberalism, Capitalism, Wallstreet, democracy, Christianity, the USA, Oxfam, medicine-sans frontiers, the UN, Esso, Monsanto, general motors, Lula da Silva, Soyking, Walmart, Medicine, T.V, Hollywood.

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