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    Islam & Germanic Identity

    Alrighty, so I was discussing with someone here about Islam. I think you can't be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist, whatcha think?

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    It doesn't really matter what terms one uses to refer to their spiritual understanding of the universe, the emphasis is on how they use these to view the world. Despite Christianity having an origin as a semitic religion, some have utilised it to observe the world in a very sane fashion (Blake, Schopenhauer, Emerson), although most have failed miserably. They seek to impose an unrealistic moral structure onto a reality that knows nothing of it, they deny this world and place all emphasis on some other world, and seek redemption in silly ideas like equality/happiness/'good' while denying all 'evil'/pain. My point simply is that one can be Christian/Muslim/Odinist/Hindu as long as they see the world from a realistic perspective.

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    Goddamn I voted "sure thing" (stupid button, anyone?) since your question has a negation in it

    I think you can't be a Muslim and a Germanic preservationist, whatcha think?
    Sure thing, you can't.

    Islam is the #1 enemy of germanic (and european) peoples today.

    They're taking over germanic lands in unthinkable rates of mass immigration, they are trying to impose their own culture and they are also extremely aggressive and hostile towards their host countries. They are religious fanaticists and responsible for the deaths of thousand Europeans by terrorist actions. So it goes without saying.

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    No, because Islam is anti-Germanic.


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    No IMO, since nationalistic and tribalistic ties are alien to Islam. Or how can one be a Germanic preservationist yet deny national/tribal ties? Germanic preservation is a form of either nationalism or tribalism IMO.

    Nationalism is a concept alien to Islam because it calls for unity based on family and tribalistic ties, whereas Islam binds people together on the `Aqeedah, that is belief in Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saaw). Islam calls for the ideological bond. Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,
    "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."
    And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:
    "Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari] and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,
    "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"
    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud,
    "There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust."
    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,
    "Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi] [...]
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    That's like being an arsonist and a fireman.

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    Not only can you not be a muslim, you can't be an Islam-apologist either
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    Of course not. By aligning yourself with Islam you are just as much aligning yourselves with non-whites. It would be the same as a National Socialist practicing Judaism. Though we may have SOME things in common with Islam, for the most part we don't (thank whoever you worship :p).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Axis View Post
    Islam is the #1 enemy of Germanic (and European) peoples today.
    Well, the #1 enemy is their racial composition, not the religion. If blonde Nordic Muslims would flood Germany, or if they wouldn't flood at all, but Germanics would simply convert to Islam, it wouldn't be worse than Christianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    No IMO, since nationalistic and tribalistic ties are alien to Islam.
    The same can be said about Christianity, and to the contrary, in many Islamic countries there are still strong tribal societies (Afgahnistan, Iraq, Turkey, etc.) where in Christian lands they almost ceased to exists. In the end is Christianity more aggressive against tribal societies? I think so.

    And while I do agree that the Islam is dangerous to Germanic preservation, I think Christianity even more so.

    I voted No
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The same can be said about Christianity, and to the contrary, in many Islamic countries there are still strong tribal societies (Afgahnistan, Iraq, Turkey, etc.) where in Christian lands they almost ceased to exists. In the end is Christianity more aggressive against tribal societies? I think so.

    And while I do agree that the Islam is dangerous to Germanic preservation, I think Christianity even more so.
    Well, I am not basing my opinion on what Islamic countries do but on what I read about the principles/teachings of the religion. Religion can be interpreted in many ways.

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