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    Comparisons & Ignorance

    Today, I was listening to a debate (in person) on whether or not Individualism does, can, and should exist. It wasn't surprising that they brought up racism as well as a few MLK references. However, what I didn't expect (now I realise that it is quite fitting) was Galileo and heliocentrism. They even drew the comparison, and mixed it into the topic, that we are now more tolerant and less dismissive of people's beliefs (in this case heliocentrism).

    Then, in the next paragraph he just went in to a rage of anti-racism.

    It's not just him that does illogical things like this... it's everyone I know. How can someone say that they're better than Galileo's time (and call those who rejected heliocentrism as fools and close-minded) when they do the exact same thing with everything they're told to not believe in; which, in this case was racism as I said, and to a lesser extent sexism.

    The only reason why they'd not compare those two, in my mind, would be that they don't care and that their minds are only build to take beliefs from others and to never anaylse them.

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    I've always thought there was a great similarity between Galileo/heliocentrism and modern/racialism, in that science is angrily suppressed or ignored by the authorities because it might upset the belief system they have put in place
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    I'm sure that for every new creed dismissed at the time by the majority as absurd and idiotic, but that later turned out to be correct, there were nine that didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death and the Sun View Post
    I'm sure that for every new creed dismissed at the time by the majority as absurd and idiotic, but that later turned out to be correct, there were nine that didn't.
    Do you mean to say "we" (racists/racialists) out number anti-racists 9:1?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    I've always thought there was a great similarity between Galileo/heliocentrism and modern/racialism, in that science is angrily suppressed or ignored by the authorities because it might upset the belief system they have put in place
    They also try very hard to make science over rule everything else when it suits them.
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    My sig says it all. Thomas Kuhn offers a rather illuminating view of how scientists proceed in his The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. It is not prescriptive, but rather a descriptive account of what scientists engage in. A lot of the time they let considerations other than pure truth-seeking distort their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    My sig says it all. Thomas Kuhn offers a rather illuminating view of how scientists proceed in his The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. It is not prescriptive, but rather a descriptive account of what scientists engage in. A lot of the time they let considerations other than pure truth-seeking distort their work.
    That's one of the reasons I absolutely love late 19th century science. I notice far less of this bias in those publications.

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    Believe me, those in the media and politics are not being illogical, most of them know exactly how illogical what they say is; the crux of the matter is that they also realise that the public is too stupid to pick up on what they are doing.

    There's too many examples to list, but there are so many examples of the left saying objectively illogical things and noone takes them to task e.g.


    why is racism wrong? > because it stereotypes people and fails to treat them fairly on their individual merits. (logic-racism is wrong because it doesn't treat people as individuals)

    why is affirmative action based on race right? > because it is correcting and compensating for white privilege.(logic-affirmative action is right because it doesn't treat people as individuals)



    These sorts of arguments that make no sense are made all of the time and while they are challenged on the facts, they are never challenged as simply being logically incoherent, mainly because your average man in the street couldn't spell detached objectivity let alone apply it to social issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    why is racism wrong? > because it stereotypes people and fails to treat them fairly on their individual merits. (logic-racism is wrong because it doesn't treat people as individuals)
    That's why I'm oposed to racism but supportive of racialism. Racialism is pretty much racism without the poor treatement of other races or the prejudice towards them

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlluSionSxxx View Post
    That's why I'm oposed to racism but supportive of racialism. Racialism is pretty much racism without the poor treatement of other races or the prejudice towards them
    The definition varies widely but, in the definition of racism, treating others is not included. Racialism and Racism are exactly the same except for one thing that you missed, a racist may think their race is better or the best.

    That's one of the reasons I absolutely love late 19th century science. I notice far less of this bias in those publications.
    Indeed. It's funny how that period is regarded as ill-informed in today's masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysium View Post
    Do you mean to say "we" (racists/racialists) out number anti-racists 9:1?

    Well, not exactly. Only that the claim of the so-called "anti-racists" (who actually are the worse racists for hating their own race, and for thinking of the civilizationally challenged races as some sort of cute pets to be protected from the cruel real world outside), i.e. that "anti-racism" is some sort revolutionary new idea, comparable to the discoveries of great European scientists (whom, in other contexts, the same "anti-racists" no doubt have no problem with deriding as "racist, dead white men"), while in fact it is nothing of the sort -- merely the latest form of social pathology in a virtually endless string of similar lunacies. Not that I have any doubt that the msjority of people with a lick of sense in their brains are on our side, actually; even if it is not legal to say so at the moment.

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