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Thread: Are the Dutch Low German or Are the Low Germans Dutch? / Should the Netherlands Join Germany?

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Yes sir! Arras is Atrecht & Lille is Rijsel!
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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Not unless WWIII happens.

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    Post Re : Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Not unless WWIII happens.
    Even with WWIII, hardly. Who owns nuclear weapons, huh ?
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    Post Re: Re : Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Theobald
    Even with WWIII, hardly. Who owns nuclear weapons, huh ?

    Hmm, from what i know, France has a good nuclear force.........

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    Post Re: Re : Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Before making a war against France, lets first deal with this present multicultural nightmerry, shall we comrades?

    Besides, there are more ways to re-Germanize our lost regions then by force. What to think of a mass migration of Dutch speaking settlers. What the Walloons can do in and around Brussels, then Dutch and Flemish migrants certainly can do the same in southern flemish citys and villages.

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    Post Re : Re: Re : Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Much satisfied with your answers, guys !


    lets first deal with this present multicultural nightmerry, shall we comrades?
    Of course... Don't try to save the stables when the fire is in the house.
    Yet it's still interesting to think about the after. Let's just not spending too much time in it, but it's not forbidden to spare a few posts after all

    BTW I not only hope, but sincerely think that so-called "France" is on the long-term condemned to become federal (or something like a confederacy of regions), which would ultimely lead to the explosion in the independant ethnic-based countries that should always have existed. It would be the logical result of the already-started loss of national sovereignty that European construction generates.
    False nations die ! Frankrijk barst !



    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    What to think of a mass migration of Dutch speaking settlers. What the Walloons can do in and around Brussels, then Dutch and Flemish migrants certainly can do the same in southern flemish citys and villages.
    True.
    I must say we have many free space.
    [And not too far by road, especially from Vlaanderen. (For the Dutch, by road Middelburg/Duinkerke 2 hours, Leeuwarden/Atrecht 4h30 ... Medium time, from northern NL to my southernmost NL, : 3 hours.) It's not like leaving for the other side of Europe, at all.]
    "Deep" Westhoek around Kassel and Boonse Heuvels especially are real "space reserves", rural lands with very low density. Many "NL" cars by here in the summer : it seems that a certain number of Dutch folks already appreciate the region (especially the well preserved, natural Boonse Kust - contrasts a lot with the very betonized "belgian" Vlaamse Kust) for their holidays. Why not stay for good...
    Even without considering massive migrations of settlers, the stronger will be the presence, the tourism, of dutch speaking folks the most it will encourage the learning of dutch here as of economic interest (which is in our sad times the only way to attract people... You can tell them about History, heritage and culture in vain, but tell them that it could improve their chances to get a job ! ... Panem and Circenses, they say...)



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    Abbegem where lies forever Joris Van Severen. Hail to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Parsifal
    Yes sir! Arras is Atrecht & Lille is Rijsel!
    I hear you kameraad ! Van Atrecht tot Utrecht, Heel-Nederland !
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    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land shall repossess his blood.

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    Post AW: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    I voted yes. Since Germanics share the same nationality by blood, it is only logical that they share the same citizenship.

    But I do not believe that Germanics should coerce other Germanics to such an end, no matter how noble. It should be voluntary, negotiated, and with the appropriate cultural safeguards.

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    Post Re: AW: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Great post Artois Redneck... I think, that we as Flemish and Dutch, no matter what kind of ideas we have about an independent Flanders, unification with Netherlands yes or not, Dietsland, and which part of Nord pas de Calais should be return to us... No matter of these different ideas and thoughts and ideals, i truelly believe that we as the Dutch apeaking community must make some efforts to French-Flanders. First of all, within the E.U, everyone can live where he wants. Therefore, we should promote the idea of relocation of Dutch and Flemish to French-Flanders, and especially those who are aware and proud of their heritage to prevent assimilation. We must establish an large Dutch speaking community in French-Flanders, with economical and political influence and power. And with the strength to make the present French speaking locals of Flemish ancestry aware of their roots and to re-germanize them. I think this idea to germanize French-Flanders is an option which should not imiadetly be denied or pushed away. French-Flanders, from Rijsel to Somme is an large area with great opportuinities for our Dutch-Flemish people. We can even take in considaration to bring home Afrikaner brothers and sisters here, if they wish no longer black oppression in South-Africa.

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    I was looking at a map of France and trying to figure out what parts belong to Flanders.
    I assume its the regions of Nord Pas de Calais and Picardie, particularly the departments of Nord, Pas De Calais and Somme.
    Is this about right?
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    Post Re : Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enigma
    I assume its the regions of Nord Pas de Calais and Picardie, particularly the departments of Nord, Pas De Calais and Somme.
    Is this about right?
    Check the website of this "french"-flemish cultural association.
    http://www.mdsk.net/home_nl.asp

    Look at the map in "Vlaanderen en Nederlanden in Frankrijk" section (http://www.mdsk.net/flpbfr_nl.html) it shows what is, after french-Flemings themselves, french-Flanders. It shares with french-Hainaut /Hennegouwen, the "departement nord".
    Department pas-de-calais is Artois/Artezië (on this map it includes Boulonnais/Boonse Heuvels, sometimes it is distinct).
    All these 3 provinces, Vlaanderen-Artezië-Hennegouwen were provinces of greater Netherlands, and are of netherlandish heritage, and frankish-saxon-frison ancestry (Artezië being nothing but a part of the former County of Flanders, which was separated and renamed in "Artois" by the Kings of France, in their will to dismantle the powerful county and annexate its fertile and wealthy lands.)
    That's why the concept of Southern Netherlands or Zuidelijkste Nederlanden exists also, to include Artezië and Hennegouwen, which people don't call "Flanders" anymore.


    @Agnar :
    Totally agreed.
    The Stranger within my gates, he may be evil or good, but I cannot tell what powers control - what reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land shall repossess his blood.

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