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Thread: Are the Dutch Low German or Are the Low Germans Dutch? / Should the Netherlands Join Germany?

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    Post AW: Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by TseBbe
    You really blow me away. I am overwhelmed by the depth in your arguments.
    I know. A simple mind like yours is easy to impress.
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: AW: Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Indeed TseBbe is a person of simply mind. Only because of the fact that the social-economical situation in Flanders is better then in the Netherlands is for him one of the reason to deny an unification. How silly an person can be. How on earth can he compare our situation with Ireland? I just dont see the link. Ireland is an island. Flanders it self is not united, despite her Frankish roots. There are people there who feel themselfs more Limburger then Flemish, seem caunts for Brabant. Yes, the Dutch speaking people have their differences. Difference in dialect, mentality, behaviour, but is that so much wrong? That makes us, an an people unique and special. People like TseBbe only destroy pan-Germanic aspirations, people like he dont feel a thing for their own country, blood and race. Sure they say that they are Flemish nationalists, but nationalists in what? They deny their brothers from the same blood and culture. The same blood belongs in the same reich. An independent Flanders wont survive for long as an economical power, especially with the lost of Wallonia. The Walloons will never accept the lost of Brussels, and for that matter I can only believe that war can unite Brussels to Flanders. If TseBbe denies an union with Netherlands, he probably give also up the historical Flemish rights over parts of Wallonia and northern France. Preset day Flanders is an joke, you accept it, but you should be ashamed of yourself. Thanks of the Netherlands you still speak Dutch today, as during the Dutch govern from 1815-1839 we awakened the Flemish consciousness and proudness. The Belgian state wanted to turn your ancestors into French-speaking, but thanks of your bloodbrothers from the north, Flanders today is an Dutch speaking region. King William I had his mistakes, and despite that Iam an republican, he wanted to turn all of Belgium into the Dutch speaking area. He deserves credits for that. And you should be thankfull to Germany as well, as twice in history they liberated the Flemish people, in 1914-1918, and 1940-1945. all TseBbe can do is being hostile towards his real allies, bloodbrothers and liberaters. Maybe he is afterall more Belgian than he thinks.

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    Indeed TseBbe is a person of simply mind...
    Your kidding me right? Just because somebody doesn't agree with you he is of simple mind? Pethatic and sad.. truely sad. I will respond the rest of your answer tomorrow.

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Anyway, the poll shows clearly that at skadi the mayority is supporting the unification with Germany. Maybe you are to young for this kind of subjects. Hey, why you dont go back to your room and continue reading Suske and Wiske.

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    Post Re : Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    This thread - or rather what it is turning into - is a perfect example of why most Nationalist "movements" through Europe are mere jokes.
    The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood.

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    How on earth can he compare our situation with Ireland? I just dont see the link. Ireland is an island. Flanders it self is not united, despite her Frankish roots. There are people there who feel themselfs more Limburger then Flemish, seem caunts for Brabant.
    Okay whatever you want, switzerland 7 million - denmark 5 million - slovakia 5 million - austria 8 million - croatia 4 million - bulgaria 7 million - norway 4 million - etc...

    The Flemish consciousness of their identity strongly lives in the minds of the ordinary flemish people. They are of all ages and of the most diverse social classes and cultural backgrounds. Every denying of a fact like that is not reasonable and has no more meaning than what religion, fairytale or pan-germanic idea what so ever. You clearly wasn't there in my beautiful flemish country on july 11 to see all those flemish lions hanging out of the diverse windows giving our flemish streets a more pleasant look and neither you observed the domination of flemish flags at the greatest cycling contest of the world. So i ask myself what in christ name are you talking about? 5000 people on the ijzerwake and 5000 on the ijzerbedevaart, 28% for the Vlaams Belang identity an seperist party. I have yet to see a Limburgs separation movement. You know i ask myself how much people did the 2005 great germanic meeting receive? Perhaps you can make it clear for us. And what would the Frysk Nasjonale Party or the Vlaamse Volks Beweging (you know people that really do something and mean something for their people, culture and heritage - unlike you!) think of that great destructive germanic idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    the Dutch speaking people have their differences. Difference in dialect, mentality, behaviour, but is that so much wrong? That makes us, an an people unique and special.
    Perhaps this will be a shock for you but a people as an ethnic group mostly doesn't differs on things like mentality and behaviour (no for real, i know it's hard for you to accept, but really) These are the things (among others) that defines a folk, a nation (at least that should be the case) and an ethnic group. It seems like you just have proven my point as right. Thanks for that. And if differences make unique and special you sound more like the leftists and socialists than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    People like TseBbe only destroy pan-Germanic aspirations, people like he dont feel a thing for their own country, blood and race
    I was for several years member of Voorpost and before that of the VJM and was moderator on SF just as on Stirpes and Polinco. But i don't have to justify myself to someone like you. Because you have completely delusional ideas & opinions about people that you don't know (You give the impression to have a very childish mentality) And yes i don't give a shit about a pan germanic movement because like nordicism it simply doesn't exist in the real world (you know the world you don't live in). And i really don't know why i give you my attention because at the end of the day, whether you like it or not its still the new right that rules the nationalistic agenda in europe and their orientation does not even come close to your ideas.

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    An independent Flanders wont survive for long as an economical power, especially with the lost of Wallonia. The Walloons will never accept the lost of Brussels, and for that matter I can only believe that war can unite Brussels to Flanders.
    This should be fun. I'm all ears to hear why flanders who shares with norway the title of the most prosperous region in the world won't survive on his own.

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    as twice in history they liberated the Flemish people, in 1914-1918, and 1940-1945. all TseBbe can do is being hostile towards his real allies, bloodbrothers and liberaters. Maybe he is afterall more Belgian than he thinks.
    What liberation? Perhaps the great circumstances in the flemish SS? The german occupier was opposed to any form of "Dietsche Fatherland".
    And all that talking about how we have to thank the dutch for this and than for that... Bla bla bla. It would be funny if you weren't such a sad and misery person... Because lets be honest if it wasn't for the flemish people we wouldn't even speak of a dutch golden age. Im not going to start about our much greater past in comparison to the dutch (and with dutch i mean the saxons in the north). The northern regions of the netherlands like frisia probebly the most nordid/germanic region (you know your fetishis) of the netherlands and drenthe/groningen where until shortly the poorist regions of the netherlands with as primier economical activity living of natural resources.

    You have nothing to offer with your ideas but yet you have the nerve to ask everything. You are delusional and don't have the knowledge of the facts when you honestly think that the flemish people have affection or feel anything positive for your ideas. It wouldn't be the case for the dutch as well since the don't really like the germans you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    Anyway, the poll shows clearly that at skadi the mayority is supporting the unification with Germany. Maybe you are to young for this kind of subjects. Hey, why you dont go back to your room and continue reading Suske and Wiske.
    Childish behavior a sign of total ignorance.

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    Post Re: Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Keep it civil, people, or I'll be editing posts.

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    As Siegfried said it right, lets keep it civil, shall we TseBbe? you attack me way to much and way to deeply for my believes. Stop with that right now. You dont know nothing about me, so dont think that I do nothing politically. You might consider yourself a big boy, but you have no right to behave like this.
    That you are against an unification with Germany, okay I can understand that. But when you speak that an unification between Netherlands and Flanders is an imperialistic act from the Dutch I just start thinking way you believe that. Dutch and Flemish are brothers, the same people with the same language. We the Dutch are not your enemy, we do not want to occupied or controll Flanders. The united Netherlands should be based as an federation, Brussels as the eternal capital and with an president as the head of the state. I dont understand why you are so much against the idea of an greater Netherlands. Hope you will be able to explane it to me. You must know that I am from the eastern part of the Netherlands, so, Iam from Saxon origin, and I dislike the arrogance of the so called Hollanders, probably the same as you do(?). But you are wrong, or maybe I understand it wrongly(?), to pronounce Dutch as Saxons is wrong. The only Saxon regions are Groningen, Drenthe, Overijssel and partly Gelderland. The largest part of the Netherlands is of Frankish origin. And besides that, what is Frankish and Saxon about them today? Because of economical reasons people moved to other parts to the country. It happend now, as it happend 100 years ago. My own family tree is not pure Saxon. you truelly believe that the Dutch dislike Germans. you are wrong. Well yes, when it comes to football probably, but what does that says? I myself come from the Dutch-German border region and here there is hardly any anti-German sentiments. There are many contacts from both sides of the border, like intercultural festivals. Germans are truelly our neighbours and local people do feel like that. we do not consider Germans as our enemies, but more as neighbours and close relatives. Tell me TseBbe, if the Flemish people are so much aware of their proudness and so on, why isnt there yet no independent Flemish state? Why do the flemish people not go on the streets and demand with mass demonstrations their Freedom? Hey, maybe the mayority feels more Belgian then you think, Flemish and Belgian the same time? If there are ridicolous nations in Europe like Bosnia and Belarus, why does Belgium still exist today. Dont understand me wrongly, I greatly hope that Belgium will fall apart in three different pieces and that flanders get her independence. But I believe that after some time, this Flemish independence must turn into an federation with the Netherlands. And I repeat, it has nothing to do with imperialism or that the one will controll and rule the other. That is the problem many people make, when it comes to the dietsland issue and pan-Germanism. An federation, based upon shared values, without that one nation will rule all others.

    @TsBbe....

    If, as you said, the Flemish prefer an independent state above an unification with the Netherlands, please explane the Dutch presence at the ijzerwake? Just fur fun? Only supporting? Explane the many Dutch flags, the presence of Dutch right politicians?
    Watch the pictures at:

    www.kafka.antifa.net/yzerwake.2004.htm

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    Post Re : Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Question inside the question, if I'm allowed :
    What about "de Zuidelijkste Nederlanden" (southernmost Netherlands) which are on the wrong side of current France's borders (and therefore also called "french netherlands") ?
    I mean southern Flanders/Zuid-Vlaanderen, Artois/Artesië, and southern Hainaut/Hennegouwen. (currently "région Nord-pas-de-Calais" )

    Would the pangermanic state of which you spoke have claims upon these "oer-Nederlandse" lands ?
    The Stranger within my gates, he may be evil or good, but I cannot tell what powers control - what reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land shall repossess his blood.

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    Post Re: Re : Are the Netherlands part of Großdeutschland?

    Certainly Artois Redneck! Pan-Germania doesnt only exist upun ancient German land, but also the Diets historical land, all up to the Somme river. From Memel to Abbegem, and from Nord-Schleswig to the Etsch river.

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