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  • The Dutch are Low German

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Thread: Are the Dutch Low German or Are the Low Germans Dutch? / Should the Netherlands Join Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    This map suggest Dutch are German and I agree with it.
    It is clearly a map dating back to the national-socialist era. And as such hardly reliable. The historical facts however are more clear on the matter. Re-unifying the Netherlands with Germany would be difficult but in the end sensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    It is clearly a map dating back to the national-socialist era. And as such hardly reliable. The historical facts however are more clear on the matter. Re-unifying the Netherlands with Germany would be difficult but in the end sensible.
    I've no problem with National-Socialist sources


    What is essentianal importance is to educate our youngsters a kind of Dutch-German cultural and linquistic connection. I always hated when Dutch called Germans : Moffen. I dont know this word in English, but every Dutchman know what Iam saying.

    Holland should integrate into Germany, economically, politically, culturally without that our own Dutch identity is at risk. In Germany, a Bavarian feels Bavarian and German. We can have the same. I have felt it already my whole life though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittekind View Post
    I've no problem with National-Socialist sources


    What is essentianal importance is to educate our youngsters a kind of Dutch-German cultural and linquistic connection. I always hated when Dutch called Germans : Moffen. I dont know this word in English, but every Dutchman know what Iam saying.

    Holland should integrate into Germany, economically, politically, culturally without that our own Dutch identity is at risk. In Germany, a Bavarian feels Bavarian and German. We can have the same. I have felt it already my whole life though

    You mean "krauts", "boche", "jerries" ? The Netherlands should integrate yes but I feel more affiliation with my own region, but of course feeling more and more affiliatiated with Germany could grow over time. Remember that we have been seperated from Germany for over 500 years.
    We should never integrate in the sense that we loose our culture.. that has nothing to do with preservation but more with cultural imperialism. We could send our representatives to Berlin while continue to rule ourselves in the same way that Bavaria or Saxony-Anhalt rules itself and while maintaining our traditional provinces.. we could be a federation in a federation. As far as the economy is concerned we have been a Bundesland for as long as we can remember, so further economic integration won't be neccesary- we are there already and we have always been there.

    However further economic reform might mean the change of the education- and healthcare system in the Netherlands and Germany- to suit new standarts and the end of De Nederlandse Bank and all the assets could easily be taken over by the Deutsche Bundesbank. De Nederlandse Bank itself could be privatised to function as a normal bank like Deutsche Bank AG.

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    Why doesn't Germany join the Netherlands? ^^ It can't be that hard for them to learn Dutch, right?
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    Germany to be under the Netherlands would be like Germany to be under Bavaria. Dutch (Low German as People here said) is a Dialect, like Bavarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    Why doesn't Germany join the Netherlands? ^^ It can't be that hard for them to learn Dutch, right?
    No thank you, it will be a bit weird to have so many new provinces. What's the next goofy idea: ethnically cleanse Germany and have a lot of Lebensraum ? No thanks:p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    We should never integrate in the sense that we loose our culture.. that has nothing to do with preservation but more with cultural imperialism.
    Not sure why you seem to be so concerned with that. Plenty of countries have 'integrated' with other cultures and kept their distinctive cultures/races. Your neighbors in Belgium, for example. Switzerland is another fine example. There will of course be a more German influence on your country (who says thats a bad thing?) but thats certainly a lot better than being exposed to American/English culture, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of Wodann View Post
    Not sure why you seem to be so concerned with that. Plenty of countries have 'integrated' with other cultures and kept their distinctive cultures/races. Your neighbors in Belgium, for example. Switzerland is another fine example. There will of course be a more German influence on your country (who says thats a bad thing?) but thats certainly a lot better than being exposed to American/English culture, eh?
    Still ... it is "alien" culture. We haven't been German for 500 years and both of us did change a lot. And since that we are a small country the effects are there for all to see: we are being flooded with foreign loanwords and foreign cultural influence and most is very bad rather then an asset. You, as a Californian, have no idea what it is to be part of a small culture and country that is culturally and linguistically under siege. There is no "better" foreign influence, foreign influence is just that and damaging. So a bi-lingual status will do.

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    In my opinion the Dutch are Low German and the Netherlands should join Germany because they are one nation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Still ... it is "alien" culture. We haven't been German for 500 years and both of us did change a lot. And since that we are a small country the effects are there for all to see: we are being flooded with foreign loanwords and foreign cultural influence and most is very bad rather then an asset.
    German isn't an alien culture because we aren't alien from you. The seperation was entirely artificial and our blood and cultural bonds still remain. While, no offense, your country went down a far worse path than ours, its fundamental culture has not changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    You, as a Californian, have no idea what it is to be part of a small culture and country that is culturally and linguistically under siege.
    LMAO, you don't know much about California do you?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    There is no "better" foreign influence, foreign influence is just that and damaging. So a bi-lingual status will do.
    But the fact of the matter is, it isn't foriegn. That and German dialects are still the main mode of speech for Germans outside of cities, they haven't been endangered in the least. Dutch is just a German dialect really, so there is no cause for alarm.

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