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    Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Can someone explain the origins of the original Angle and Saxon tribes? I understand there is a province named Saxony in Germany. I wonder as to the Angles. Sometimes referred to as "Angles, Jutes and Saxons" the Jutes apparently emanated from Jutland, Denmark. Corrections or comments welcomed. Thx

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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    They originated from the area that is now northern Germany and southern Denmark.

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    AW: Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Angeln is a region in nowerday's Schleswig-Holstein.

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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Here's a site you'll enjoy on the topic of Anglian origins, mate.

    http://www.geocities.com/farthegn/page42B.html

    complete with map;



    The old stories tell us that whole areas of the Anglian homeland were left empty, so many of the people made the move to England.
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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack View Post
    Here's a site you'll enjoy on the topic of Anglian origins, mate.

    http://www.geocities.com/farthegn/page42B.html

    complete with map;



    The old stories tell us that whole areas of the Anglian homeland were left empty, so many of the people made the move to England.
    So where were the Danes back then? Or had they yet to emerge as a seperate tribe at that point?

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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    The Danes were still living in Norway I believe. The Danes filled in the penninsula after the Angles and Jutes went to England. As RedJack said, the Anglo-Saxon migration left this land thinly populated and ideal for settlement.
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    Question Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Does anyone know the time period in which this migration took place? And why did they migrate away from the area that is now Nth Germany, Sth Denmark?

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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    Does anyone know the time period in which this migration took place? And why did they migrate away from the area that is now Nth Germany, Sth Denmark?
    Good question I suppose, though maybe not fully answerable. It would probably be for the same reasons as the other Germanic migrations of the same era, one of which would be that they saw the chance to exploit the wealth of the (former) Roman world.

    I've also heard that sea levels were rising, causing unrest and migration.

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    Re: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    That's right Rhydderch. Rising sea levels and the consequent salinization of soil, and crop damage, along with the traditional reason told by Gildas and others. That is, the Britons (indigeneous Brythonic Celts and Romans)were being harried and raided by Irish pirates, and Picts from Scotland. (Although this area was not yet known as Scotland. The Irish Scotti pirates settled there and gave it it's name). By this time the Roman Legions had already withdrawn from Britain and she was left vulnerable to invasion.

    In a desperate attempt to rid his country of these plunderers, the British King Vortigern/Wyrtgeorn/Gwyrthern/Gurthigernus invited Saxon (although at this time "Saxon" was a word used by Romans and Britains for any North Sea Germanic pirates. So there may have been other Germanic nations represented in this expedition.) mercenaries. They are said to have come in three "keels" or oar ships (probably similar to the Viking age ships but smaller). They were lead by the brothers Hengest and Horsa (meaning Stallion and Horse. This motif of the twin brothers as the founders of a nation is recurrent throughout Indo-Euopean mythology) It was not long before the Saxons seized an excuse to riot. (Apparently they asked for higher wages and their request was refused.) They then began pillaging and raiding. After some time they invited more of their kinsmen over, and eventually they brought their families. The rest of the story is better left avoided, as Rhydderch and I (and most of the rest of us) tend to disagree on the details.

    These events and the Anglo-Saxon migrations in general are thought to have taken place sometime from the mid 5th century through the 7th century A.D.
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    AW: Origins of Angle and Saxon tribes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Canadian View Post
    Can someone explain the origins of the original Angle and Saxon tribes? I understand there is a province named Saxony in Germany.
    The name "Saxony" is misleading because the "Sagsons" (sounds like that in their funny dialect ) there have nothing to do with the Germanic tribe of Saxons.
    The real Saxons live in "Lower Saxony", northwest Germany:
    http://home.mweb.co.za/el/elijo/graphics/o06map.jpg
    The "Plattdeutsch" dialect we are speaking here is in many ways similar to English...

    This is Saxony:
    http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/images/saxony.jpg
    A bit too far from the coast, right?
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